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Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by DiabloD3 »

jonhohle wrote: post #42
whalesalad wrote: post #11

My experience with Windows 11 has been roughly bug free - but it’s not a pleasant place to be. Installing is a nightmare too with the online account requirement. You can circumvent with a shell but still annoying. I’ve been much happier with Debian 12 and KDE for my primary workstation. I can’t think of a compelling to use windows outside of gaming.

It’s somewhat ironic that Windows users used to call Macs “toy computers”. Now most deeply technical people are using Macs or at least Linux or BSD and Windows is relegated to games. It seems Windows is for toy computers ;-)

I don't know any technical people who use Macs with OSX still installed.

They all gave up on that trainwreck of an OS, and either their final Mac died and they replaced it with an even better laptop by a different vendor (Framework, et al), or they still own a Mac but it now runs Windows or Linux (and when that one dies, it will be their last, and they will become post-Mac, too). I know exceptionally few tech people with M1, and they bought it knowing they had to suffer the rough edges of Asahi; I do not know a single tech person who bought an M1 and left OSX on it.

The number of Macs in existence only goes down, not up; doubly so in the tech world.

I don't get why theres a few people on HN that persist in the FUD+FOMO combo that OSX is gonna make a comeback and win because "its a Unix!" and "Apple takes security seriously!" and "Safari is world's best browser!" and "Swift is a great language to code in, even if it doesn't work on other OSes!" and "I use XCode unironically!"

Just stop already, we've all heard it. Repeating it doesn't make it true.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by rstat1 »

bitwize wrote: post #2

When Microsoft says "your CPU needs to be this high in order to run Windows 11", perhaps listen to them eh?

If their supported CPU list wasn't completely arbitrary BS, then you might be on something here. But it isn't There are CPUs that have no problem running the OS that are for no discernible reason "not supported".

And I'm not talking about old crap like Pentium 4s or something. I'm talking about ones that are barely 5yrs old.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by auguzanellato »

tw04 wrote: post #65
toasteros wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed no pitchforks, but I can see where some concern has come from. On the release of Windows 11 it was stated that only newer Intel and AMD generations were to be officially supported and while workarounds are built in (literally a registry flag in the installer) to install on even a Pentium 4 [1], they came with a warning from Microsoft that installations in such environments "may not receive updates". Is it ther…

> Is it therefore possible that this bug check is being implemented as part of the journey towards actually dropping "support" for these CPUs? That seems entirely possible. That being said, I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU built on an architecture that I think is pretty widely accepted as a failure.

> I'm not sure I'm going to be upset about them dropping support for a 20-year old CPU

Windows 11 doesn’t support CPUs that are 6 years old (Intel 7th gen) that are still ok by today standards

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by whalesalad »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #71
jonhohle wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s somewhat ironic that Windows users used to call Macs “toy computers”. Now most deeply technical people are using Macs or at least Linux or BSD and Windows is relegated to games. It seems Windows is for toy computers ;-)

I don't know any technical people who use Macs with OSX still installed. They all gave up on that trainwreck of an OS, and either their final Mac died and they replaced it with an even better laptop by a different vendor (Framework, et al), or they still own a Mac but it now runs Windows or Linux (and when that one dies, it will be their last, and they will become post-Mac, too). I know exceptionally few tech people…

What the heck are you on about? This is patently false. I've been using Mac hardware professionally since 05 in a ton of different environments. We very rarely had issues. Apple makes the best laptops in the world, nothing else comes remotely close.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by ramblerman »

laserdancepony wrote: post #43
ramblerman wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm torn on this. I'm really happy with where MS is going, I think they have been killing it with vs code, chatgpt integration, and I was quite bullish on the surface pros. But after having owned one for 1 month, they were still a real disaster in the OS area. I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. It was a fricking disaster. I'm back on osx now, having sold the surface pro. Hardware an…

> I "subscribed" to the preview track, and had to reformat my pc twice. "I subscribed to test betas and they were unstable. Thanks Bill Gates!"

Yeah this is the sarcastic take, but MS pushes people to get onto the insider preview to enable certain features. My surface pro wouldn't sleep properly, and only the "insider preview" would fix that for instance.

There is a difference between having a few apps crash more often, and literally having the offical MS help tell you, the only solution is to reinstall everything.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by Stranger43 »

mrguyorama wrote: post #58
Stranger43 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's always puzzled me how much people are willing to take from Microsoft for products they pay good money for, without ever considering that there might be an world where not everyone buys their software from the same vendor.

Almost nobody buys Windows though. The vast majority of users get given a laptop with windows on it from work, where the robust AD system is pretty great, though O365 is a letdown in a lot of ways, and the rest get Windows pre-installed on their laptops from the store, where microsoft gives OEMs a sick deal. The only people who "buy" Windows are those who build their own gaming machine. Even then, they usually buy a…

Thats kind of not true, someone bought windows(and not as cheap as people think) it's just that nobody really sees it as something different from the computer because it's bundled.

Enterprises pay a surprising amount of money to Microsoft usually in the form of monthly/annual pr user licenses(to the time of double digit percentages of the end user device budget) and yet no amount of badness seem to make anyone in those Enterprise departments think that they have any alternative and it's the same in the laptop space, where despite having to fork out whats often a double digit percentage of the retail price to Microsoft there is no serious appetite from hardware vendors or consumers to consider that maybe we could have a market where multiple Operating systems coexisted.

And your driver argument is exactly the weirdness here as people will absolutely hold anyone but Microsoft(especially smaller opensource competitors) responsible for bad drivers but with windows it's suddenly an valid excuse for bad experiences with windows.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by CacheRules »

whalesalad wrote: post #74
DiabloD3 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know any technical people who use Macs with OSX still installed. They all gave up on that trainwreck of an OS, and either their final Mac died and they replaced it with an even better laptop by a different vendor (Framework, et al), or they still own a Mac but it now runs Windows or Linux (and when that one dies, it will be their last, and they will become post-Mac, too). I know exceptionally few tech people…

What the heck are you on about? This is patently false. I've been using Mac hardware professionally since 05 in a ton of different environments. We very rarely had issues. Apple makes the best laptops in the world, nothing else comes remotely close.

well that's just like your opinion man

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by arprocter »

toasteros wrote: post #27
tw04 wrote: post #17

I think people might need to put the pitchforks down. It's a preview release, and we have 0 information on the systems in question. You can easily avoid the issue by not participating in the early release program. Finding issues like this is literally why the preview program exists. Should they have caught this with internal testing? Maybe, we don't have enough information to know.

Indeed no pitchforks, but I can see where some concern has come from. On the release of Windows 11 it was stated that only newer Intel and AMD generations were to be officially supported and while workarounds are built in (literally a registry flag in the installer) to install on even a Pentium 4 [1], they came with a warning from Microsoft that installations in such environments "may not receive updates". Is it ther…

I see the buggy 'preview' updates offered on all my Windows 10 and 11 machines, and none of them are signed up for Insider

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by whalesalad »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #60
whalesalad wrote: post #34

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>If I needed all of those tools for my daily workflow I’d be on macOS without hesitation. And how do switch my existing PC from Windows to MacOS, without spending money to buy new proprietary HW in a locked-down unrepairable unupgradable ecosystem that comes with insane markups on RAM and storage? At least Linux, works with what I already have and doesn't require me to spend money on proprietary HW and then spend mor…

Why not both? I own a handful of Mac machines, have a server rack in my basement loaded with R720s, and a 13900k beast Debian workstation on my desk. I'll occassionally rotate to my couch or a coffee shop and thanks to the wonders of SSH and wireguard I can access the rack and my workstation from anywhere while still having incredible all-day battery life (M2 Macbook Air). vscode+remote-ssh+tailscale is a killer combo.

Re: New Windows updates cause UNSUPPORTED_PROCESSOR blue screens

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Post by whalesalad »

CacheRules wrote: post #77
whalesalad wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the heck are you on about? This is patently false. I've been using Mac hardware professionally since 05 in a ton of different environments. We very rarely had issues. Apple makes the best laptops in the world, nothing else comes remotely close.

well that's just like your opinion man

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