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Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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dylan604 wrote: post #50
mulmen wrote: post #30

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While not good isn't that kind of an accepted risk for submarines? We don't have complete maps of the ocean floor. Features shift. IDK the specific circumstances so maybe it was incompetence but the British submarine fleet isn't alone in running boats aground.

Better than doing emergency blows directly underneath a civilian vessel. Especially damning was the emergency blow wasn't even necessary and was from show boating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville...

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by mcpackieh »

pbj1968 wrote: post #38
hilbert42 wrote: post #37

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Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

Or you just shut off the lizard brain and don’t think about your coworkers that way.

What you call "lizard brain" is actually normal human physiology and psychology. Expecting adult humans to behave as sexless victorian vulcans, cool creatures of pure rationality and suppressed emotion, is asking quite a lot. People can put on this kind of act for a time, but when the farce slips you shouldn't be surprised.

For better or worse, people on these ships are going to have sex (even when it's just men.. don't tell me you've never heard about sailors.)

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Post by SoftTalker »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9

>TCPO ‘Tug’ Wilson in the weapons room (AKA ‘bomb shop’). Crew members often hug the cruise missiles to stay cool while they sleep. Is it that hot in the submarine that you have to sleep naked and hug torpedoes to stay cool while you sleep? Is there no form of climate control? On US submarines it must be much cooler as everyone is wearing thick overalls[1] and even winter clothing in the torpedo bay. [1] https://yout…

I'd guess possibly there are times (perhaps many hours at a time) when they have to "run silent" and turn off ventilation fans and heat pumps and keep other mechanical noise to an absolute minimum.

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Post by norgie »

nonethewiser wrote: post #62
norgie wrote: post #44

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Just in case anyone else hasn't heard of "Opindia" before (the second link): > OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news website that frequently publishes misinformation. Founded in December 2014, the website has published fake news and Islamophobic commentary on many occasions. OpIndia is dedicated to criticism of what it considers "liberal media", and to support of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Hindutva ideology.…

Im skeptical about this take. Wikepedia moderation is left wing and has repeatedly published misinformation.

I imagine you find yourself running into “left wing” stuff a lot right?

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Post by mcpackieh »

whatshisface wrote: post #70
nonethewiser wrote: post #58

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The dynamic is completely different in mixed company. It used to be common for men and women to attend different universities. In fact, learning outcomes tend to be better in single sex education [0] and its not really surprising - everyone is more productive and focused. What’s surprising is how we don't realize the effectiveness of single sex education despite research, common sense, and tradition all pointing towa…

Maybe it's because we don't actually want the human race to go one more generation before dying out. :-)

Antinatalism is ugly.

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Post by vkou »

tpmx wrote: post #57
vkou wrote: post #43

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> How do you know the next leader of Russia will also be rational? How do you know the next leader of the US will be? It's not like people get elected to the position, or appoint their subordinates based on their rationality . That's the beauty of sovereign countries with enough nuclear weapons to kill the world, you don't. Maybe we should look into this bilateral arms reduction thing.

Bi lateral, you say? SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute): Countries with an increase in stockpiled nuclear warheads from Jan 2022 to Jan 2023: China: +60 Russia: +12 Pakistan: +5 North Korea: +5 India: +4 https://www.statista.com/chart/30173/the-countries-expanding...

The UK, France, China, and Israel are more than an order of magnitude under the US and Russia in their nuclear armament, and Pakistan, India, and NK are another order below them.

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avar wrote: post #5

This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...

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Post by dumah »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #20
dmix wrote: post #18

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I wondered why those Navy videos spend an inordinate amount of time showing how food is made and interviewing the chefs, it makes sense that is the least classified area and they aren't scared of bothering important stuff (not to downplay food).

Food has been historically one of the submarine fleet's strongest perks for seamen. Considering that it must be quite hard to live underwater for months at a time, with no outside contact with the world, the Navy really likes to play up how well you'll eat on your submerged cramped can.

This is just propaganda. The food on US submarines isn’t a perk. Eating that food made you want to be home whether you were underway or in port.

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Post by gcheong »

mcpackieh wrote: post #72
pbj1968 wrote: post #38

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Or you just shut off the lizard brain and don’t think about your coworkers that way.

What you call "lizard brain" is actually normal human physiology and psychology. Expecting adult humans to behave as sexless victorian vulcans, cool creatures of pure rationality and suppressed emotion, is asking quite a lot. People can put on this kind of act for a time, but when the farce slips you shouldn't be surprised. For better or worse, people on these ships are going to have sex (even when it's just men.. do…

Sex is normal - making rape lists and sexual harassment/abuse is not. There’s quite a bit of consensual middle-ground between “sexless Victorian vulcans” and outright sexual harassment/abuse and the latter shouldn’t be tolerated regardless of who it is.

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Post by hilbert42 »

deanCommie wrote: post #64
hilbert42 wrote: post #52

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It has nothing to do with lizard brain whatsoever. If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution. The chances of me being believed would be negligible. I have always been courteous to coworkers, especially women. Your comment has just validified my point about today's politics. Decades ago no one wou…

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"Why be EXTRA courteous to women? Already reveals you think of them as different."

Because that's the ways boys were taught by BOTH schools and their parents when I was a kid not only from our youngest age but also it was reinforced throughout highschool until we left. This was sacrosanct value of good behavior in our society until recently.

It's a damn shame that you and others like you are not old enough to have a sufficient sense of history to realize the problems and damage you are causing by accusing innocent people like me for having the normal views and values of my society's culture.

It is extremely upsetting and unfair that you make such allegations. I'm not responsible for society having turned its values upsidedown in recent years.

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