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We’re all just temporarily abled

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Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

Starting Strength is not recommended anymore: https://web.archive.org/web/20200528135350/https://thefitnes...

Ultimately, while I never reached the 200 kg / 440 lb he mentions on the deadlift I got to: (in lbs)

Back Squat 275 2 rm

Front Squat 225 2 rm

Deadlift 375 2 rm

Bench 175 5x5

OHP 135 5x5

C&J 125 1x5

Snatch 105 1x5

With my primary program being SS and then SS like (do the set 5x5 or appropriate at the work weight, advance by appropriate increment). That's the rough master plan at least.

Not advising. Merely sharing my experience. Simplicity of adherence maximized adherence. Visible progress increased adherence.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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We are born totally helpless and die in various states of disrepair but the bulk of our moral disposition as expressed during our temporary window of "ability" does not at all reflect this fundamental truth.

This contradiction is at the heart of social and political frictions. How much does an individual at their peak owe to the collective that "abled" them. Why should anyone take care of them during decline?

Its not a trivial problem. The feeling of invincibility in our youth, ignoring - if not despising - the weak and adulating the strong and capable is probably an evolutionary adaptation.

Yet our predicament as an intelligent and moral species is to understand this core reality and find the right balance. Use the various forms of invented technology to push the limits of ability (augment) without forgeting how it is all bootstraped and held together.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They recommend many routines, not just 5/3/1: https://thefitness.wiki/routines/strength-training-muscle-bu...

Are you just regurgitating reddit advice or have you gone through this and advised gym goers with success? The nice thing about lifting is results speak for them self. If your going to keep posting this link as solid advice, maybe share your lifts...

Yes I have gone through these, started with SS, saw basically no progress, then moved to 5/3/1 and did some other routines over the past several years. At my peak before a recent injury I was at 225 bench, 325 deadlifting and 275 squat.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Not reading the article or engaging with the points it makes also makes things weird. Each of us has a fragile body and at any moment, you might become broken in a way you can't fix. When you can't walk up a hill, hold a job - the world becomes hostile. Even going down a road that isn't asphalt but stones is a challenge for some people. That is a consequence of young and healthy people designing our world and the thi…

I did read the article. We are all incredibly fragile and also strong creatures. I am quite regularly injured due to sport, and broken for months so I understand fragility and also that strength comes with hard work and focusing on what one can do with what we have instead of what we cannot do.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

#76
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is directly addressed on that page too: https://web.archive.org/web/20200528135350/https://thefitnes... As well as in the section above it.

It still doesn't change the fact that a suboptimal program which keeps beginners engaged and moving forward is infinitely superior to a more complex one that they fall off of.

This is survivor bias; SS keeps some beginners engaged but there's no count of those who drop off or never start it. I was in the latter group; it was the first program recommended to me, but I was leery of it because I don't have medical insurance and was skeptical about the feasibility of the suggestions based on what I knew about my own body, so I just did nothing about it. When I did start lifting, I started out with light weights and spent months figuring out a program while getting a kinetic understanding of the different muscle groups and how they worked together, spamming volume for a while and gradually adding more weight.

I don't mean that SS is a bad program, it works for lots of people and it's very accessible. But I also think it's way oversold and not magic.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

#77

One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

My knee pain gets worse when i squat. How old are you?

Same. Can't even squat my own body weight without my knees wanting to explode.

I do think weight training is important, but with physical limitations...

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

#78

One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

Starting Strength is not recommended anymore: https://web.archive.org/web/20200528135350/https://thefitnes...

Arguments there are bullshit - talking about stuff that's completely irrelevant to beginners to make things sound complicated - personal fitness trainer playbook.

If you're a couch potato dev who sits all day and does no physical activity - just doing random shit with your bodyweight or empty bar will get you sore for the first month.

Overloading yourself with pointless movements that are meant to target specific muscle groups is completely irrelevant for the first year. Go to gym - find heavy stuff you can pick up - try not to do anything stupid.

SS is great because it has a low number of movements, volume is irrelevant when you get sore from a barbell squat, learning how to lift is deceptively complicated (breathing/bracing/muscle activation).

The article keeps straw-manning "longterm" this and that - SS is your first year in the gym (or less). By the time you're trough with it, unless you're totally oblivious, you'll pick up on other stuff when you have the time. And you'll have a decent intuition of how to lift, understand recovery implications, consistency in training, and a decent base strength. It's a great base to get you started and have an achievable progression framework that doesn't require much tutoring or time.

I've seen plenty of people get from 0 to nice lifting strength in ~1 year by doing SS. The only thing that's relevant is consistency - if you come in 2-3x a week and do something difficult for an hour for a year - you will see results - it can be total fucking around - you will still get results. It's good to start with SS type exercises because those well defined movements target your entire body, and if you learn to execute them correctly you reduce your chance of injury.

TL;DR - for any newbie out there that's in bad shape and looking to start gym - save yourself time and avoid "optimal muscle development" crowd. None of those arguments apply to you and are completely irrelevant. Don't trust me ? Go to the gym and do 5x5 with an empty bar and see if you're sore after the workout.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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post #75

Knees are such an interestingly fragile joint. You'd think evolution woukd have selected for something that at least heals on its own. Wish the article went into more detail about what happened.

How long they last in use by hunter-gatherers? At least 40 years? That really is good enough.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

#80

One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

My knee pain gets worse when i squat. How old are you?

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