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Coleifer does not get enough credit IMHO:
Peewee has been solid since I began using it a decade ago. Coleifer's stewardship is hard to see at once, but I've interacted with him numerous times back then and the software reflects the mindset of its creator.
If you're going to end up querying all the fields and putting them into a model like this dataclass anyways... Django can do that for you. If you're going to later pick and choose what fields you query on the first load, and defer other data til later.... Django can do that for you. If you're going to have some foreign relations you want to easily query.... Django can do that for you. If you're doing a bunch of joins…
Granted, this problem goes away if you are building a web app or a REST API, but if I just want an ORM for a command line application, I am using django's management command functionality which is OK, but it doesn't really scale easily.
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From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
So let's ban ORMs because newbies don't know the entire toolchain. Yes, that will definitely solve it. Why stop there? Let's ban RDBMS. If you can't contemplate a binary file structure and index strategy perfectly tailored to your application's needs ahead of using an RDBMS, why should we deign to let you use an abstraction layer with clever query planning and algorithms? It's all too easy to morally 'ban' people fro…
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From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
So let's ban ORMs because newbies don't know the entire toolchain. Yes, that will definitely solve it. Why stop there? Let's ban RDBMS. If you can't contemplate a binary file structure and index strategy perfectly tailored to your application's needs ahead of using an RDBMS, why should we deign to let you use an abstraction layer with clever query planning and algorithms? It's all too easy to morally 'ban' people fro…
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From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
So let's ban ORMs because newbies don't know the entire toolchain. Yes, that will definitely solve it. Why stop there? Let's ban RDBMS. If you can't contemplate a binary file structure and index strategy perfectly tailored to your application's needs ahead of using an RDBMS, why should we deign to let you use an abstraction layer with clever query planning and algorithms? It's all too easy to morally 'ban' people fro…
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I have decades of experience with databases and I happily use ORMs. You're conflating ORM with people who know nothing about databases. Why?
From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have decades of experience with databases and I happily use ORMs. You're conflating ORM with people who know nothing about databases. Why?
From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
Earlier quoted context omitted.
From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
So let's ban ORMs because newbies don't know the entire toolchain. Yes, that will definitely solve it. Why stop there? Let's ban RDBMS. If you can't contemplate a binary file structure and index strategy perfectly tailored to your application's needs ahead of using an RDBMS, why should we deign to let you use an abstraction layer with clever query planning and algorithms? It's all too easy to morally 'ban' people fro…
Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have decades of experience with databases and I happily use ORMs. You're conflating ORM with people who know nothing about databases. Why?
From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
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From my experience, ORMs allow folk who know nothing about databases to continue knowing nothing about databases
And from my experience, forcing people who know nothing about databases to write SQL will not make them learn about databases, all you end up with is worse SQL and more injections. Although the worse offenders by far are those which decide ORM = bad and bypass it at every opportunity.