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Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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The problem with this type of article is that Jobs and Gates have no real world limitations whatsoever. They can do anything with their kids and it won't matter. So that's not relatable to me as a person not in that position. Example: pretend Gates & Jobs decided to remove their kids from school and teach them full time to be musicians. Completely impractical for me and would not set my kids up for success financiall…

Have fewer/no kids if you can't afford to raise them.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tablets and smartphones are designed at every level to be devices for consuming (or being consumed by?) content. And if you do want to create things, they are terrible tools for that.

LumaFusion/LumaTouch is one counter-example, and I‘m certain there are others. At the surface, you may describe it as a „video editor“, but I totally agree that it‘s really about „Story Telling“. I use it on iPad, and I am mesmerised about how ideas click into place every time - there must be serious, long earned expertise at work at the makers of this app. „Designed for consuming“? LumaFusion is the most fun (for me…

iMovie has existed on it since the start, for all the professional accolades it earns the iPad. You're still not going to see Steve Jobs pitching it as a replacement for the Mac, though. The iPad's most holistic pitch was ebook consumption, everything else was Angry Birds, YouTube and the faint promise of Pornhub on a bigger screen.

I did my last leg of high school on an school-mandated iPad, and it's not hard to get what everyone here is talking about. Want to do CAD? Gotta get a different machine. Want to record music? iPads don't have the drivers for our DAC. Want to type an essay? Go rent a detachable keyboard from the library. So on and so forth until you never feel motivated to create anything superfluous again. It was an exceptionally poor replacement for a laptop, particularly when I wanted to make something or do creative work.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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The problem with this type of article is that Jobs and Gates have no real world limitations whatsoever. They can do anything with their kids and it won't matter. So that's not relatable to me as a person not in that position. Example: pretend Gates & Jobs decided to remove their kids from school and teach them full time to be musicians. Completely impractical for me and would not set my kids up for success financiall…

>Because if their kids don't have screen time, and they get bored and complain What is fundamentally different about the world today, compared to 10 years ago (when widespread child usage of phones and tablets was vanishingly rare), that it's impossible to parent without them? I have friends who say they cannot get their child to brush their teeth without holding a tablet in front of their face. This statement would…

It’s not that it’s impossible to parent without them, it’s just the easier path.

Parents, just like other people, will often take the easier path for a million different reasons.

10 (more like 20) years ago, the easier path did not exist, or was something different.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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post #71

The problem with this type of article is that Jobs and Gates have no real world limitations whatsoever. They can do anything with their kids and it won't matter. So that's not relatable to me as a person not in that position. Example: pretend Gates & Jobs decided to remove their kids from school and teach them full time to be musicians. Completely impractical for me and would not set my kids up for success financiall…

Have fewer/no kids if you can't afford to raise them.

Oh yes, that solves society's problems: only rich people should have kids.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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I have a niece and nephew ~10yo that whenever I see them are just staring at their devices. I don't want that happening to my 1yo son, I don't want him to miss out on normal life stuff either. When do and how do people normally introduce devices to their kids? So far we haven't shown him any technology, other than seeing himself on the screen when we take a selfie.

I feel like it sneaks up on you. You want your kid to be quiet for a few minutes so you say "10 mins of ipad time won't hurt". It happens slowly in every moment of weakness. Every moment you're too exhausted to take the hard way out. That said, I have no advice other than to just restrict it as often as possible or just limit how many you have at home.

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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The problem with this type of article is that Jobs and Gates have no real world limitations whatsoever. They can do anything with their kids and it won't matter. So that's not relatable to me as a person not in that position. Example: pretend Gates & Jobs decided to remove their kids from school and teach them full time to be musicians. Completely impractical for me and would not set my kids up for success financiall…

> Because if their kids don't have screen time, and they get bored and complain, they could hire a dozen people to entertain their kids and look after them (and while the number is probably not that high, they do, actually, use that type of solution). Whereas for me giving kids device time is a practical solution, without those resources: it keeps them entertained, while I work to make money.

That's one of the problems with the way we life our lives imo. The fact that we need those devices to manage having our children around should tell us something is wrong.

(I'm not saying I'm in any way not affected or better or anything)

Re: Jobs and Gates banned their kids from iPads and other devices they created

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IMO clickbait title > Gates and his then-wife Melinda took a decisive step by limiting screen time to 45 minutes for games, with an additional hour allowed on weekends. This was in addition to the time required for homework. "Banned" sounds like zero, but they actually got 2 hours (per day?) on weekends. That's a pretty good amount. Since when are kids allowed to have unlimited access to whatever they want? whether i…

> Even if there was a kid who spent too many hours reading, you'd probably be like "hey you need to go outside once in a while"

This was my mother. So I read outside.

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