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YouTube-Dl Site Goes Offline as Hosting Provider Enforces Court-Ordered Ban
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#73This is why I'm setting up a reverse proxy on another host in front of my web site, in case I get some fake takedown request from a competitor that causes my host to delete my account. At least if I use a proxy I can spend a small amount of time setting up a new proxy. I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut of…
> I used to have a competitor who would email PayPal every couple of weeks to tell them our web site had CP on it just so PayPal would instantly shut off our payment gateway while they investigated Isn’t this sort of behaviour criminal? (I mean the competitor submitting a fake child pornography report, not whatever PayPal did to respond to it.) And if not, surely it ought to be.
Illegal? Probably, but I'm not a lawyer. I imagine the words "unfair competition" might be present somewhere on the legal paperwork. And if it's illegal but not criminal, you have to sue the competitor yourself, which is expensive and time-consuming.
PayPal probably should have some kind of hold on your account saying "don't shut off the account until we've investigated" but that might itself be abusable (see Facebook Xcheck). If this behavior is illegal they might also have standing to sue whoever is sending the reports.
All of that requires you to have at least some amount of evidence tying the false reports to the competitor, too. Or at least enough evidence to survive a motion to dismiss so you can use discovery to get the rest of the story.
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#74It's laughable how symbolic and ultimately meaningless this is. GitHub has already proven themselves to be a good actor in this particular fight, so not only is the repo online, but we also have http://ytdl-org.github.io/youtube-dl/ The Uberspace provider is appealing the decision as well. Even with the site down, this looks incredibly positive from where I sit. Rightsholders and litigators get stuffed, we always win…
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why Apple and Google need to hold less power.
No, people need to stop letting Apple and Google have so much power; such silly victim mentality! There's plenty of software and means to host your own video platforms.
> There's plenty of software and means to host your own video platforms.
There's plenty of ways people can start their own countries and currencies too.
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#76It's amazing what kind of mental gymnastics can allow someone to think you can watch a video without downloading it. Lawyers live in a world very unlike reality.
I can listen to music on the radio, but it's a whole different issue when I pick specific songs to pirate for my own personal listening :p But that's not where the caring comes in; it's the tools I can use to pirate songs; hence youtube-dl going down and not the users who used it. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a TOS clause about videos on YT not being your property and that you can't export them off the platform…
But then again, in the US at least, it is perfectly legal to record TV and watch it any time you want. That was a good ruling. Thanks, Mr. Rogers.
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Audiovisual material is the public forum of modern times. It’s important to be able to review and criticize a movie and reupload it on public forums.
Imagine not being able to show the Nuremberg Trial to pupils in class, because it would be copyrighted. It would give free hands to war criminals. Imagine not being allowed to show negative footage of Biden because it’s copyrighted and the White House doesn’t grant the right to anyone.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree and I don't. We can rip dvds almost precisely, because spreading stuff beyond the ability for it to be easily controlled under single point of failure.
Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world e…
I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me.
Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems like another cat and mouse game resulting from lack of any pro-consumer enforcement. Corps have legal batting for them. What do we get? Control over our computers and even that is being eroded daily..
I still remember the first time I looked at the log from raspberry pihole. I am not much of a revolutionary, but seeing it all was a radicalizing moment for me. And it wasn't the childish 'I want to see X'. It was 'the fuck is all this on my network'?
Overall, I think you are wrong. Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now. Just like with music, pirates actually forced an adoption of somewhat sane standards..
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can listen to music on the radio, but it's a whole different issue when I pick specific songs to pirate for my own personal listening :p But that's not where the caring comes in; it's the tools I can use to pirate songs; hence youtube-dl going down and not the users who used it. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a TOS clause about videos on YT not being your property and that you can't export them off the platform…
But then again, in the US at least, it is perfectly legal to record TV and watch it any time you want. That was a good ruling. Thanks, Mr. Rogers.
I wonder how specific that ruling is; nowadays you'd have to break HDCP if you want to record from most devices with something in-between, and it seems like that wouldn't be as-legal with bypassing copy-protection
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, people need to stop letting Apple and Google have so much power; such silly victim mentality! There's plenty of software and means to host your own video platforms.
> There's plenty of software and means to host your own video platforms. There's plenty of ways people can start their own countries and currencies too.
Ok I'm curious; how can a person start their own country and currency?
Video hosting is as easy as hosting Piwigo, GNU mediagoblin, Lychee, Zenphoto, or tossing something together in PHP. All that is free and open-source.