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GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Re: GM confirms $130k Cadillac won’t have Apple CarPlay or Android Auto

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Post by lotsofpulp »

ag56 wrote: post #59

I just got a Rivian R1S and lack of CarPlay is by far the worst thing about the car. The built in Spotify app is janky, podcasts and music can’t continue where it left off, built in map seems to only direct me to busy roads. It’s so annoying I’m thinking of selling (for a profit). Why is this happening? Car executives aren’t stupid, and must realize software is not core to their business. Unless they plan to start se…

From what I have read, Apple does not charge carmakers anything to support CarPlay functionality.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

csdvrx wrote: post #39
SkyPuncher wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. * That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues. * The music that I was playing, it just keeps going * The garage door opener/lock/etc that I just added to H…

> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences t…

> The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff.

FYI, a car that supports CarPlay/Android Auto and a car that does not is indistinguishable to the person who does not connect a phone to the car. It is just an interface that allows your phone to use the touchscreen, but if you do not connect a phone, it continues to work.

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Post by SkyPuncher »

csdvrx wrote: post #39
SkyPuncher wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. * That restaurant we just decided to go to. Already in navigation. AND! the maps are all current with road closures/traffic issues. * The music that I was playing, it just keeps going * The garage door opener/lock/etc that I just added to H…

> It's honestly insane. CarPlay does everything I want and the best part is it just works. A large part of that "it just works" is the fact that it's all based directly on my phone. The insanity goes both ways: I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff. Hopefully I'll have other options than this $130k Cadillac, but it's good to know some automakers cater to my preferences t…

> I refuse to use a cellphone, so I will not buy a car that has Android or Apple stuff.

Then, you're also not buying an EV it sounds like... All of these fancy headunits require a cell phone modem....

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CarPlay is entirely optional. Your headunit will have all of the basic still built in.

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Post by JohnFen »

solarmist wrote: post #68
renewiltord wrote: post #66

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It's quite possible to do. Get a new Subaru, then get a double DIN dash kit https://www.crutchfield.com/p_003SBK931B/American-Internatio... and then you can ask your car stereo guy for a blank Double DIN plate. It's not out of the box, but you'll block off the screen entirely and you won't have audio or screen or anything except your HUD.

That might make your vehicle not Street Legal soon since backup cameras are required equipment going forward. Not sure how after-market factors in though.

In the US, backup cameras are required to be included with the car to be sold. There is no law that I'm aware of that prevents people from disabling or removing them after the sale.

EDIT: I think I was incorrect. The law says "an altered vehicle that was completed on or after this date that was equipped with a rearview camera that already meets the new rearview requirements must continue to meet these requirements after the alterations."

https://www.camerasource.com/industry-news/understanding-new...

But I'm not sure how broadly that actually applies. So I don't know.

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Post by greenthrow »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #23
greenthrow wrote: post #16

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This isn't really true except for Rivian and Tesla, which as start ups, wrote their own stack and want to fully control it. GM is moving to Google Automotive and doesn't want to enable Carplay or Android Auto, but Google is already in there deep. No other legacy manufacturers have announced plans to take away Carplay/Android Auto. Quite a few are basing their systems on Android Automotive, though (BMW, Volvo/Polestar…

If a car with Google Automotive has CarPlay, how would Google get data from the iPhone? Is CarPlay not just an interface so your phone can display things on a bigger touchscreen?

Even if the car is using CarPlay it can still report everything it knows about your location to Google. That translates to where you go at what times, etc.

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Post by JohnFen »

brewdad wrote: post #45
JohnFen wrote: post #37

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Darn. I got excited for a moment thinking that a major car manufacturer was selling a car that didn't have any infotainment features at all. Oh well.

With backup camera being mandatory, all cars are going to have a screen. If you have to have a screen anyway, might as well load it up with infotainment from strategic partners.

> If you have to have a screen anyway, might as well load it up with infotainment from strategic partners.

I understand this from the carmakers point of view. They want to extract every dime from my pocket that they can. But I don't want it. Having a screen for the backup camera is fine, but I don't want any ongoing services connected to it.

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Post by Zetice »

JohnFen wrote: post #70
solarmist wrote: post #64

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Where do you draw the line? I don't know anyone that wants to go back to paper maps for navigation. And backup cameras are unambiguously good for everyone.

Going back to paper maps isn't the alternative. I already have a device with me that can do all of the navigation, etc., that I'd need. None of that needs to be built into the car. Backup cameras are fine. The only fancy thing I would like to have in my car is the ability to connect the sound system in it to my phone or computer via bluetooth as if it were headphones -- but I can add that easily as an aftermarket thi…

Why wouldn’t you want a cleaner UI and larger screen to show you the contents of that device?

Also why do you care if your car has a computer on it or not? Seems overly paranoid, bordering on luddite…

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Post by solarmist »

JohnFen wrote: post #70
solarmist wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you draw the line? I don't know anyone that wants to go back to paper maps for navigation. And backup cameras are unambiguously good for everyone.

Going back to paper maps isn't the alternative. I already have a device with me that can do all of the navigation, etc., that I'd need. None of that needs to be built into the car. Backup cameras are fine. The only fancy thing I would like to have in my car is the ability to connect the sound system in it to my phone or computer via bluetooth as if it were headphones -- but I can add that easily as an aftermarket thi…

I very much agree with your two hard lines.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #17
javajosh wrote: post #7

I won't be happy until I can stream my driving experience on Twitch, with the option to occasionally hand over control of my vehicle to chat.

You laugh, but I've always thought that would have been a good intermediate step towards full self-driving. Provide the option to delegate it to humans in a building 1000 miles away, similar to how the US military conducts drone warfare.

Latency makes it totally impossible to do that securely. Reaction times in case of a problem is the difference between life and dead and you cannot "outsource" that to someone 1000 miles away: network latency, monitor latency, input method latency (I send an "emergency braking order", network latency a second time.

Impossible within our current understanding of physics: I mean... You could do it, but the added delay for reaction times would literally have many people killed.

Guiding a drone / missile is kiddie stuff compared to remotely driving a car in trafic.

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Post by GenerWork »

gopher2000 wrote: post #60
GenerWork wrote: post #38

I know some people at GM who work on in car interfaces. I remember asking one a few years ago why people would prefer an in-house solution over Carplay/Android Auto, and the answer I got was that there's a solid chance people won't. Guess we're about to find out.

The big downside to me with CarPlay/Auto is that it doesn't leverage screen real estate properly. At least not yet. I end up with CarPlay/Auto on the main entertainment screen but with the manufacturer's system on the HUD and main cockpit screen - which I'd rather look at.

CarPlay should be fixing that in next gen (so a year or two from now) releases. Apple showed a Carplay screen that went from the drivers instrument cluster to the center of the dash where it usually lives now.
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