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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by dep_b »

doubelstandard wrote: post #61
VincentEvans wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As russian, when I encounter people comparing the state of media in Russia to the worst excesses of government influence in media in US like they are comparable - I think to myself “what a bunch of fucking idiots”. It’s the same ignorant halfwit crowd that compares minor inconvenience to Holocaust, having to follow an HOA rule to Stalin’s repressions, and anyone telling them what they don’t like to Hitler. I live in…

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He's rude but right though.

Nothing in the West is even closely comparable to what is happening to Russia nowadays let alone the First and Second World War. People that say the West is about as bad as Russia really don't have any sense of what is really going on in the world and really can be defined as "idiots" in the context of this discussion.

A person actually from Russia that also lived in the West usually has a bit better perspective on these matters.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by CrzyLngPwd »

gumballindie wrote: post #2

Funny how news loves to refer to russian companies as "giants". Russian oil "giant", search "giant", etc. Just an amusing fact.

Totally agree, has google ever been referred to as American giant Google I wonder.

My search threw up a few.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by undefinedland »

hsjqllzlfkf wrote: post #47
KoftaBob wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've wondered that too, and from what I can understand, the distinction is that the Russian Oligarchs don't just have political influence, their wealth itself was a result of political connections with the ruling elites from the start.

Correct. The "America bad" crowd is so eager to say they're all the same that they intentionally look away from any nuance.

Perhaps if America has killed your friends, family or country, Russia looks preferable.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 0xDEF »

roenxi wrote: post #48
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #13

>Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow? Depends how good the search is. Google doesn’t seem to want to provide me proper results anymore, even very basic image search tasks on google now net you only about 20 results all of which are wrong or useless. Yandex image search actually works. If you don’t want me to use the Russia…

There is a reasonable argument that, as a minor nobody, we should rather use services from hostile countries. It isn't feasible for Russia to to compel someone in an English-speaking country to do something unpleasant. That is a lot more than can be said for the local police or politicians. Russian corruption doesn't generally touch Western governments - the atmosphere is too hostile to it.

>Russian corruption doesn't generally touch Western governments - the atmosphere is too hostile to it.

Brussels, Vienna, and many other European capitals are full of Russian "lobbyists".

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by dijit »

azangru wrote: post #67
londons_explore wrote: post #64

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It mostly happens via private messaging, but yes. It's part of the "you are either with us or against us" mentality of many campaign groups. See ~2 years ago when every opensource project was forced to publish a code of conduct and diversity and inclusion policy... Often the people asking for the policies weren't even users of the software involved, let alone interested in writing code for the proect. That campaign s…

> That campaign seems to have ended, and nobody cares if your project has either anymore. Has the movement to rename every master branch to main quietened down as well?

Only because it was successful.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by divan »

0xDEF wrote: post #63
tenpies wrote: post #11

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Also Western billionaire versus Russian oligarch - even if the source of wealth is virtually identical and their political power probably higher in the West.

>Also Western billionaire versus Russian oligarch - even if the source of wealth is virtually identical and their political power probably higher in the West. The term "oligarch" has a specific meaning and, surprisingly, Western media uses the term correctly about the subset of corrupt Russian and Ukrainian businessmen who got rich in the 1990s by buying billions worth of state monopolies for pennies. I have never se…

Linguistic choices aside, the nature of power acquision is very different in russia and western countries. One of the best explainers is on Kamil Galeev's twitter/substack. Highly recommended read:

https://kamilkazani.substack.com/p/avocado-economy-why-russi...

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by undefinedland »

dotcoma wrote: post #38
DeathArrow wrote: post #34

> Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow? I think I am safer with Russian govt having access to my data vs my local govt having access to my data.

They are not worried about what the Russian government can do to you; they are worried about what they can do to them, to your own government.

They are worried that their populations might work out that Western populations are kept enthralled to the US security state and rebel. Russia is bad but US blows up gas pipeline for democracy and freedom.

Now hand over $800 billion dollars for 'defense'. And $368 billion for AUKUS. And the European bill will be interesting to watch over the next few years.

Just don't think about that F word - fascism.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by divan »

KoftaBob wrote: post #26
tenpies wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Western billionaire versus Russian oligarch - even if the source of wealth is virtually identical and their political power probably higher in the West.

I've wondered that too, and from what I can understand, the distinction is that the Russian Oligarchs don't just have political influence, their wealth itself was a result of political connections with the ruling elites from the start.

You might enjoy reading this article:

https://kamilkazani.substack.com/p/avocado-economy-why-russi...

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by undefinedland »

VincentEvans wrote: post #60
doubelstandard wrote: post #9

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As russian, when I encounter people comparing the state of media in Russia to the worst excesses of government influence in media in US like they are comparable - I think to myself “what a bunch of fucking idiots”. It’s the same ignorant halfwit crowd that compares minor inconvenience to Holocaust, having to follow an HOA rule to Stalin’s repressions, and anyone telling them what they don’t like to Hitler. I live in…

As a person with Polish heritage, it's interesting how we see things differently. Best of luck to you.

Edit: I live in Australia.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by doubelstandard »

dep_b wrote: post #71
doubelstandard wrote: post #61

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He's rude but right though. Nothing in the West is even closely comparable to what is happening to Russia nowadays let alone the First and Second World War. People that say the West is about as bad as Russia really don't have any sense of what is really going on in the world and really can be defined as "idiots" in the context of this discussion. A person actually from Russia that also lived in the West usually has a…

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