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My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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I was referring to "There's also no consent banner, so this doesn't seem GDPR compliant". They explicitly state that they are GDPR compliant without the need for a consent banner.

How is this relevant if the website in question does not use Plausible? Edit: If you mean this is stated in the blog post, I can't find it

I was just referring to your comment not the blog post.

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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I used to be CTO of an Uber Eats style service that ran on hosting costs of about £100pm. Thousands of orders every few days, real time driver tracking, self hosted invoice generation, the works. Hetzner servers, Docker Swarm and Cloudflare for the tech.

> Hetzner servers It is truly amazing to me the value that is provided by renting hardware instead of VPSes. As long as you're willing to roll your own infrastructure instead of buy into a cloud provider's infrastructure.

> As long as you're willing to roll your own infrastructure

Uh huh. This is why DevOps/SRE roles pay more than development roles.

“Step 2: draw the rest of the owl”

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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I meant that even for hosting in the cloud it seems high. I have a hard time understanding where the cost is coming from. I can only assume it's because of the DB as opposed to the instance or S3. I wouldn't be surprised if it was over 10x cheaper if you didn't use cloud hosting.

RDS is very expensive. Just following the console's advise for production instances (meaning Multi-AZ with a Proxy), a t3-medium (2 vCPU, 4GB) Postgres instance with 5GB storage is $130/month. You can get it down to $12/month by going with a t4g.micro (2 vCPU, 1GB RAM), single-az, no proxy, no backups, 5GB storage; with price after that scaling roughly linearly with RAM. But the interface will scream at you the entir…

Or just rent a bare-metal server with 32 real cpus and 128gb of ram for <100 bucks a month... My bare metal k8s cluster running on rented bare-metal costs <300 a month and I have hundreds of cores and hundreds of gb of ram available.

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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> but self-administering the modern React deployment chain is tedious Is it? It's not the React part that's adding to the tedium, I am sure; that part can be trivially automated away. Is it any more tedious than self-administering the deployment of older-school php apps?

I run a Vercel equivalent in Cloud Run’s free tier. The fact is that Vercel charges a LOT for what you get. IMO the UX is nice but what they offer is not something that you critically can’t build yourself in an extra day of coding

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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Great list, but AWS bill will run pretty high when you'll finish your credits.

Those “free” credits on these cloud providers are akin to how drug dealers sell unadulterated product in small amounts to new users to get them hooked. Then repeat business is the cut product with high markup.

The big brained maneuver is probably to build a cloud agnostic stack and migrate between these clouds, negotiating free credits as you go. Done right you could probably pay no cloud bills for several years.

The problem is that one does not simply build “cloud agnostic” services and you would probably spend a not insignificant amount of time migrating between them every year or two. But if you were really good at cloud and could do this efficiently and quickly it would probably be worth it

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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Welcome to the cloud dystopia.

I'm so thankful my career as a developer and sysadmin preceded the cloud era. We now have a whole generation who manage cloud infrastructure but have never setup a Linux server from scratch.

I've gone through both eras and hope I never have to configure a switch or see a HP iLO ever again. Cloud ftw, imo.

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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May be a weirder question to ask, but curious about the Delaware LLC decision. If I was creating a C-corp, Delaware makes sense, but for an LLC it feels weird unless the author is in Delaware. I also don’t see any cost for registering as a foreign LLC wherever they are located, so maybe they are in Delaware.

Not OP & IANAL… by having the LLC in Delaware, it’s probably nominally easier to convert to a Delaware C corp at the desired time. Or maybe OP lives in Delaware.

As you said it’s not that much harder to convert. For startups it feels like it’s just “the thing you do” when in reality it ends up doubling your paperwork at the end of the year come tax time and siphoning off critical money if you’re bootstrapping. Sure if you have VC pockets go ahead and do it but for everyone else in bootstrap land just make your LLC in your home state if you live in the US. You’ll save yourself time and money.

You don’t get any tax benefits having the LLC in Delaware since you still have nexus in your home state and you’ve just made your situation more complicated by also having to file the nexus paperwork on top of your Delaware paperwork and fees. There are some ancillary things like being able to hide you own the LLC if you register in Delaware (or a few other states like Wyoming) but those don’t really matter for the vast majority of people.

Re: My frugal indie dev startup stack (2022)

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It would be nice if we can see a breakdown of P&L. I see the indie dev claims to have “over 7500+ businesses” as customers. But also a very generous free tier. I see the post is getting eviscerated in the comment section. But if this person is spending mere cents in operating costs when compared to the profit earned each month or year (I think in business terms this is known as customer acquisition costs). Then I wou…

I think people want to nitpick certain things they have expertise on and say that you can save $XYZ if you know what you’re doing. Well, duh.

On the other hand, while OP’s stuff generally looks like some good decisions were made, there are a few items in there that just seem like criminally bad value for what you get and you wouldn’t spend near that much time and effort switching to something much cheaper. Vercel stuck out to me as one of these

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