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Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by whimsicalism »

xcxcx wrote: post #70
whimsicalism wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly, these are all tied up together. The gap between a Dutch man and a Bantu man was not merely defined by colonialism, as you well know. And gender relations defined each of those peoples day to day life far more than interactions with representatives of each other. But I still do not know the point of your comment. Is it to suggest that gender relations was not a big factor in the past?

The point of my comment is that it's almost as if we weren't constantly bombarded by how unfair current men are to women, we would start reflecting about these inconvenient legacies instead

I hear about the legacy of colonialism all the time. People can walk and chew gum at the same time.

I agree, some strands of feminism can certainly ignore all other dimensions of power, especially when coming from more affluent women, but I disagree that this was the implication of the original comment.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by jojobas »

morelisp wrote: post #49
ACow_Adonis wrote: post #40

I feel like I'm missing some cultural context here that made this a semi- difficult read: obviously? the word "massage parlour" is some local euphemism for some kind of sex work and its implied they aren't actually masseurs/masseuses? but can someone explain to me exactly what the nature of the arrangement/work/ business she's working in is? is it just prostitution and for some reason they don't call it that in Canad…

> the word "massage parlour" is some local euphemism for some kind of sex work and its implied they aren't actually masseurs/masseuses? I'm genuinely curious where you live that this is not the case. It is such a euphemism in every Anglophone country, and (large parts of?) Germany and Italy. It is usually illegal (or at least unlicensed) even in places where prostitution has some kind of legal status.

In Australia there are legal brothels, there are legit massage joints and, as I've heard, something in between.

I'm told, if you're looking for an actual massage and the reception doesn't have a HICAPS terminal (similar to the credit card one but for health insurance) you're in the wrong spot.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by xcxcx »

whimsicalism wrote: post #71
xcxcx wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of my comment is that it's almost as if we weren't constantly bombarded by how unfair current men are to women, we would start reflecting about these inconvenient legacies instead

I hear about the legacy of colonialism all the time. People can walk and chew gum at the same time. I agree, some strands of feminism can certainly ignore all other dimensions of power, especially when coming from more affluent women, but I disagree that this was the implication of the original comment.

Since you keep referring to an original comment, I unfortunately must ask which comment you're talking about

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by whimsicalism »

xcxcx wrote: post #73
whimsicalism wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear about the legacy of colonialism all the time. People can walk and chew gum at the same time. I agree, some strands of feminism can certainly ignore all other dimensions of power, especially when coming from more affluent women, but I disagree that this was the implication of the original comment.

Since you keep referring to an original comment, I unfortunately must ask which comment you're talking about

> Since you keep referring to an original comment

This is my first mention of an original comment, but I was referring to this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37026511

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by sixothree »

SpriglyElixir12 wrote: post #37
AlecSchueler wrote: post #34

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At the same time it might feed into the objectification of women which will actively harm the needs of half the population.

Is this implying that male versions won't exist?

You would have to make them a lot funnier.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by whimsicalism »

kdmccormick wrote: post #43
seabass-labrax wrote: post #33

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By your definition, I'm not a human. But then again, I always have thought that Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs was upside-down.

You value self-actualization above food and shelter? Like, have you ever been stuck out at night in the cold and rain without eating all day and thought, "I need to focus on pursuing my passions"?

My guess is that they are asexual, not sure why everyone is jumping to them not requiring food for some reason.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by xcxcx »

jandrese wrote: post #22
rainworld wrote: post #14

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Unlike sex work, my “good” jobs didn’t threaten to overthrow traditional power structures. Many sex workers, including myself, have long hypothesized that the reason so many people in power work to keep the commercial sex trade marginalized is because they’re threatened by it—by the idea that it’s the only field where women outearn men, that it’s an industry where women get to call the shots, and that women profit of…

The article even starts out with a description of how her job worked: controlled by the pimp at the front door. The women didn’t get a say.

If it makes you feel any better, most people worldwide don't get a say over what the United States really wants. Even the men.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by Chris2048 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #34
atleastoptimal wrote: post #26

This is why I imagine sex robots will only be a good thing. The humanitarian promise of AGI is it serves human needs optimally and frees humans from the need to stoop to the lowest levels to serve them.

At the same time it might feed into the objectification of women which will actively harm the needs of half the population.

Not if it displaces women as sex objects. Women can still be objectified by any other metric of usefulness, but at that point will reach parity with men.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by jayd16 »

nostrebored wrote: post #41
lancesells wrote: post #5

> What do you need if you’re out seeking services at night? Food, sex, shelter. This really encapsulates what all humans want and need. Food, sex & love, shelter & clothing. With only those three things you can live a happy life. Everything else is really to satisfy a desire for novelty and experience.

Hate this quote. This absolutely sums up certain cities though. Some places become amazing after dark. People just want to have a nice time together. Maybe that’s over food, maybe it involves sex, but more importantly it was about camaraderie.

I think in these discussions sex is just a glib shorthand for companionship of many kinds.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Post by kdmccormick »

Exoristos wrote: post #51
kdmccormick wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You value self-actualization above food and shelter? Like, have you ever been stuck out at night in the cold and rain without eating all day and thought, "I need to focus on pursuing my passions"?

Dues it surprise you that there are people on HN who have gone without food or proper shelter?

Not at all! It would surprise me if someone had gone without food and shelter and then insisted that self-actualization was more important to them when they were cold and hungry.
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