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Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #27

That seems dangerous in an emergency situation and technically complicated to implement. They should fine people proportionately to their wealth instead like in Germany.

Germany the fines do not depend on income. Are fixed. AFAIK this is in Switzerland, for local citizens.

Finland does that, example:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/finnish-busine...

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#72

> ensuring they could not exceed the speed limit by more than five miles per hour I'm just afraid that this measure can have some impact when the person really needs to overspeed. Like some medical condition in the middle of the night. Not everybody lives near some hospital, nor ambulances can cover the whole city.

A feature like this would be extremely dangerous in "striped yellow" lanes (where you can pass into on-coming traffic). When you're passing like that, the speed limit goes out the window and your main goal is to get back into your lane before any on-coming cars come. Limiting speed would cause head on collisions because drivers wouldn't be able to pass.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#73
post #16

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If it is really an emergency you should have already called 911. Maybe the dispatcher says drive as fast as you can cause we cannot get an ambulance to you - but in that case you stay on the phone. The dispatcher talking to you is also on radio with police and the flashing lights are your escort as the dispatcher will tell you. But the above is something that I doubt will actually happen - ambulances are generally cl…

Roads are engineered for a particular speed and flow of traffic. If you exceed the design limits of the road, you may feel very unsafe and be quite inclined to slow down again. This applies even to large, wide, noticeable emergency vehicles. Residential streets often participate in noticeable "traffic calming" measures, like roundabouts, speed humps, wasp waist narrowing, landscaping and trees, signage, etc. Most of…

That depends on the emergency and the road. In Manhattan you cannot go as fast as the rural highways - but the only places you would go are also pretty close. In rural areas when seconds count the correct hospital may be hours away (rural hospitals cannot solve all problems), and those emergency personal will drive much faster than the road design (which is also designed much faster than Manhattan) if that is what it takes to get there.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #42

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Dangerous driving is a violent crime, with potentially deadly outcome. The punishment should be harsh for repeat offenders. Its not a crime your socioeconomic circumstances made you do, its very easy to just drive within the speed limit. Tough punishment for crimes usually done by the middle-class do often seem harsh for people, even though its not really harsh compared to many other actual victimless crimes.

>The punishment should be harsh for repeat offenders. Its not a crime your socioeconomic circumstances made you do, its very easy to just drive within the speed limit. Tough punishment for crimes usually done by the middle-class do often seem harsh for people, even though its not really harsh compared to many other actual victimless crimes. I think it's a strange argument to say we'll make things fair to poor people…

Thats all you.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#75
post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

b/c that's exactly what happens: they keep on driving and going to prison. Drunks are stubborn.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#76

For six tickets in a year?! Just take away their license.

That weirdly enough doesn't work in the USA.

As someone from Belgium or Germany how they feel about driving without a valid license and they'll look at you like you asked them to calculate i^2=-1.

Same thing with no insurance.

Yet here in the USA (in most states) we can buy a car off the lot with paper/no plates and have a grace period to register it. You have a grace period on your insurance on which they need to cover the new vehicle at the old terms.

That already gives some leeway. And stretching leeway is much easier than actually getting leeway to begin with.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#77
post #3

Seems like a lot of effort to keep asocial drivers on the road. Why not just take their drivers license? Then move on to prison time if they keep driving.

Because unfortunately in the US, the ability to drive is required to get to work. Transit options are non-existent in most of the rural areas.

I can accept that this is the state, not the city, but come on - this proposal is specifically for New York, home to one of the very few functional transit networks in America. Let's not pretend that New York (even the areas outside NYC) is on par with rural Wyoming.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because unfortunately in the US, the ability to drive is required to get to work. Transit options are non-existent in most of the rural areas.

I can accept that this is the state, not the city, but come on - this proposal is specifically for New York, home to one of the very few functional transit networks in America. Let's not pretend that New York (even the areas outside NYC) is on par with rural Wyoming.

Outside of NYC and the immediate metro area, public transport is either non-existent or poor at best.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

#79
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole thread is peak "NYC forgets that NY State exists"

In my defense, it’s very easy to. Then again: the law in question has bounds that are reasonable across the entire state. You shouldn’t speed; if you think the limit is too low, petition to get it raised. I wouldn’t object particularly if this bill was stapled to a limit increase on I-87.

The law does have reasonable bounds, though I'm a bit skeptical that it can be implemented properly. I'm just making jokes because being forgotten by your bigger siblings hurts sometimes.

Re: Lawmakers propose 'speed limiters' for repeat offenders in New York

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because unfortunately in the US, the ability to drive is required to get to work. Transit options are non-existent in most of the rural areas.

I can accept that this is the state, not the city, but come on - this proposal is specifically for New York, home to one of the very few functional transit networks in America. Let's not pretend that New York (even the areas outside NYC) is on par with rural Wyoming.

Rural NY isn't significantly different than any other state. You're still isolated anywhere outside the metro areas.
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