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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by ambyra »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #34
no_wizard wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know that there is any technical reason why e-ink can’t develop a better refresh rate to match what we are used to, at least theoretically. I don’t think its refresh rates are capped in that way. The real problem is cost of course. Part of that is e-ink is still governed under a patent you must license and pay royalties to if I recall correctly

Eink works by physically moving bits of material around in a viscous liquid. You can refine that (use stronger electric field, stronger reacting pigments, less-viscous fluid, thinner layer for smaller travel distance) but never get around it.

I wonder if it would be possible to layer screens to double refresh rate.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by dbingham »

packetlost wrote: post #38
dbingham wrote: post #12

That refresh rate is pretty awesome. ...if that's real, and I'm a little skeptical, I kinda want a remarkable with one of these screens. That would be amazing. The poor refresh rate is one of the few things I don't love about my remarkable.

One of my coworkers has the grayscale version of that. The refresh rate goes up to maybe 20Hz on "fast mode" which sacrifices quality for speed. It looks pretty good regardless, but IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. My ReMarkable 2 has a perfectly fine refresh rate, especially for writing/drawing. Is yours the first gen maybe?

I've got a Remarkable 2. I use it primarily for note taking and planning. Sometimes I need to move large chunks of notes around on the screen and reorganize things. The refresh rate becomes a real problem there. Also I often use the infinite vertical scroll, and scrolling up and down is a pain in the ass. Because of the refresh rate (I assume?) scrolling is limited to half pages and it's very slow.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

chaosprint wrote: post #70

I owned lots of E-ink devices. I got a Boox Mira 13 inch screen and it works well on both Mac/Windows. On Windows I can even have some touchscreen interaction. But I have to warn you!!!! that your mouse is not going to work as it feels very different. So I use it only to read news, reply emails and messages. Coding, video, and gaming would be impossible! The same thing would 100% go to this new display. I have also g…

> your mouse ... feels very different

Latency.

It will work anyway, practically, through the right system, if you want to get used to it.

> ... I can even have some touchscreen interaction

An all systems, if you use remote desktop technologies (e.g. VNC).

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by sublinear »

rockostrich wrote: post #51
packetlost wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my coworkers has the grayscale version of that. The refresh rate goes up to maybe 20Hz on "fast mode" which sacrifices quality for speed. It looks pretty good regardless, but IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. My ReMarkable 2 has a perfectly fine refresh rate, especially for writing/drawing. Is yours the first gen maybe?

> IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. Hard disagree. E-readers already do this and are 2 orders of magnitude cheaper. Long-form text content barely need 1 Hz refresh rates. The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Most jobs that involve looking at a screen all-day don't really require high refresh rate screens. The m…

> Long-form text content barely need 1 Hz refresh rates.

The problem with such low refresh rates is that your eyes may have to work much harder to locate where you're at after you've scrolled the page.

Not all content is formatted to never break sentences or paragraphs, and not all software even supports pagination as an alternative to scrolling.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by sublinear »

packetlost wrote: post #68
rockostrich wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. Hard disagree. E-readers already do this and are 2 orders of magnitude cheaper. Long-form text content barely need 1 Hz refresh rates. The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Most jobs that involve looking at a screen all-day don't really require high refresh rate screens. The m…

> This is a huge game changer for the vast majority of folks on HN that are looking at a terminal, text editor, or docs for 90% of their day. Hard disagree. Unless you're not typing all that much and particularly insensitive to input latency, you're not going to want to do too much typing on these. I know I couldn't stand it.

Input latency is really bad even at 24hz. My typing speed slows down dramatically and typos feel so painful to correct compared to 60hz and above.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

dbingham wrote: post #12

That refresh rate is pretty awesome. ...if that's real, and I'm a little skeptical, I kinda want a remarkable with one of these screens. That would be amazing. The poor refresh rate is one of the few things I don't love about my remarkable.

We have had 12.5Hz with "A2 mode" since a long time.

And that display is a traditional B/W EPD with a colour filter on top, so it can use similar (fast and imprecise) "EPD waveforms" and yet have an effect of colour.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by myself248 »

chaosprint wrote: post #70

I owned lots of E-ink devices. I got a Boox Mira 13 inch screen and it works well on both Mac/Windows. On Windows I can even have some touchscreen interaction. But I have to warn you!!!! that your mouse is not going to work as it feels very different. So I use it only to read news, reply emails and messages. Coding, video, and gaming would be impossible! The same thing would 100% go to this new display. I have also g…

RM2 ex-pat club member here too! Beautiful design, bizarrely crippled user experience. They put a wifi+bt chip on the board, but didn't connect the bluetooth signals, so you couldn't use a bluetooth keyboard with it like any other tablet. And a zillion other frustrations.

I sold it to a friend after making super sure he was okay with the limitations and wouldn't blame me for selling him a lemon.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by rvnx »

retrocryptid wrote: post #77

I'm trying to remember the last time I actually received anything I paid for on Indiegogo. Caveat Emptor.

I already ordered product from DASUNG before, it was technically working, just useless because of the Windows-specific drivers that were needed and the poor refresh-rate (it was the B&W 13"-ish version of the monitor).

However, the team in China was cool to interact with and seemed reliable.

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