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Authors, artists, actors etc whose work have been ripped off by mega corporations like Meta, OpenAI, Google etc would disagree. Copyright may need to be updated to cater for the new world of AI but that doesn't mean as a concept it is evil.
How are Modern Copyright laws helping authors, artists, and actors in those cases?
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/05/authors-file-a...
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I believe LLMs should be allowed to read/view/consume content and learn from it even if that content has a copyright. We phrase it like somehow the material is being copied into the LLM, but that’s not what it’s doing. It’s building a neural graph from the experience of consuming that content. What would the world be like if humans couldn’t learn, train the weights of the interconnects of their neural tissue, from an…
It’s a form of lossy compression. Can I strip the copyright off an image by JPEG compressing it? At the very least I think LLMs trained on data that the trainer does not own or have rights to use in that manner should not be copyrightable.
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It's shocking to me how many people in tech feel completely entitled to intellectual property that took someone years to master a skill to make. But talk about releasing a proprietary codebase and suddenly they want the lawyers involved because that actually threatens their livelihood.
Is that actually a commonly held position? I've seen IP abolishonosts here, and I've seen people argue the merits of proprietary software, but I don't get the impression that those are generally the same people.
I personally do not want the companies to release training data (at least for a while) because then it gives people leverage to neuter it. I don't want a sanitized LLM, and I don't have $60M lying around to train my own. Copyrighted material, sexual content, political opinions, throw it all in and release it please! Yes, reducing bias in the models is a noble goal, but introducing new bias and blindspots to do it is…
> Copyrighted material, sexual content, political opinions, throw it all in and release it please! Why copyrighted material? Could we stop celebrating how tech is going to steal everyone's copyrighted works in a massive effort to replace the artists who made it? Why does everyone here hate artists so much? Do they not deserve any rights over their IP, eg, the right to say no when someone wants to make derivative work…
You blame "how tech is going to steal everyone copyrighted works", yet, they were already in the tech world: the internet.
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Is that actually a commonly held position? I've seen IP abolishonosts here, and I've seen people argue the merits of proprietary software, but I don't get the impression that those are generally the same people.
They’re straw-manning, programmers are the best sharers in the world. Open source software has lead the drive for open source learning and information in general.
Right here the comment says they prefers Meta to keep the secret sauce as long as it allows they to (inderectly) access the copyrighted material etc. And the replies below are generally positive. So it's not a straw-man, at least in this thread, at all.
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Pretty much everything nowadays is copyrighted, by omitting such materials, what are you really left with? LLM is a tool much like the internet is a tool. Yes, someone can use it to steal, but stealing is against the law. Instead of encoding a criminal justice system into an LLM by omitting the possibility of stealing an artists work or omitting the knowledge of physics so someone can't learn how to build a bomb, we…
You're not addressing the massive abuse of the commons this still represents. If artists don't have the right to tell you to fuck off for using their work in training data, they're less likely to publicly show that work, which hurts them because they become less visible and hurts the AI because the training data gets worse.
Can we please stop using terminology related to code for something that's not code?
var a = b * 3 + 2;
You're telling me the * 3 + 2 part isn't code and only var a = b is code?
"Mark Dingemanse, a coauthor of this report, had a particularly strong assessment of the Llama 2 model: "Meta using the term `open source' for this is positively misleading: There is no source to be seen, the training data is entirely undocumented, and beyond the glossy charts the technical documentation is really rather poor. We do not know why Meta is so intent on getting everyone into this model, but the history o…
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How are Modern Copyright laws helping authors, artists, and actors in those cases?
It's allowing them to sue OpenAI for copyright infringement: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jul/05/authors-file-a...
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And posted the link to your subscribers only medium page twice in this thread
devils advocate: if it wasn't subscribers only, google's crawler would be stealing it right now to train an ai with, ie, illegally creating derivative works based on their articles
Also the article seems to be written by an LLM anywway, so it wouldn't matter in the end.