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Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by CydeWeys »

electricmonk wrote: post #52

IANYL. Microsoft owns a trademark registration for X [standard character] for certain goods and services (see: https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=2693757&caseSearchType=US... ). Meta owns a trademark registration for X (Stylized), which Microsoft apparently assigned to Meta (see https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=87980831&caseType=SERIAL_... ). Musk as been using X in various capacities since the 90s, and depending o…

Meta and Microsoft may have registered those trademarks but I haven't seen them using them, so they might struggle to actually defend them in court against someone who is very clearly actually using "X".

Honestly Apple probably has the best shot, as they do use "X" prominently. Mac OS X, iPhone X, etc.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by snoochyboochies »

I have no idea of the legalities of this. Personally, I feel the rebrand of Twitter to X was a pretty dumb move.

However like most discourse nowadays, I can't trust a single take on any of this. It's all predictably far more political than fact-based in a sort of self-fulfilling, postmodern, prophesy.

Digg was utterly destroyed by this. Then Reddit, which has not died, but is utterly captured and zombified. HackerNews is the last bastion of this - and it is certainly the best, but is clearly being Digg/Reddit'fied.

Whatever this ideological capture cancer zombification is - it's cancer. If you are reading this, recognize it is probably happening to you too. Seems inevitable.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by arcticbull »

TX81Z wrote: post #60
sheeshkebab wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is a genius

No, he’s not. He’s something so much better than that we don’t even have a word for it. He is a human singularity, I can’t believe we get to be alive on this earth at the same time as this man.

"In principle, I don’t believe anyone should own or run Twitter. It wants to be a public good at a protocol level, not a company. Solving for the problem of it being a company however, Elon is the singular solution I trust. I trust his mission to extend the light of consciousness."

- Jack Dorsey, April 25, 2022.

Certainly nobody can deny Elon is solving for the problem of Twitter being a company.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by antonvs »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #44
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

Is Twitter usage (measured in daily active user hours per day) lower now than it was before the acquisition?

I prefer to measure in fortnightly active users per hogshead.

But if you're a bit less fussy about the exact metric, Pew Research has some data on the topic:

> "A majority of Americans who have used Twitter in the past year report taking a break from the platform during that time, and a quarter say they are not likely to use it a year from now, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted about five months after billionaire Elon Musk acquired the site." -- https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/17/majority-...

> "The majority of highly active Twitter users continue to use the site following Musk’s takeover but are posting less frequently on average." -- https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/17/how-us-ad...

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by CydeWeys »

ehhthing wrote: post #42
eccodown wrote: post #31

X owns the trademark for "X" simply by using it, whether it was registered with a trademark office or not. It certainly doesn't hurt that Elon's company registered X.com in 1993, then he purchased it from Paypal in 2017 and has been using it in various capacities since then.

They owned the trademark for X scoped to banking and financial services. Meta owns the trademark scoped to social media.

Is Meta using the trademark "X" for social media though? I haven't seen it. They're not gonna win anything if they're not actually using it. That's like the first and most important thing.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by KerrAvon »

api wrote: post #54
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

I’m starting to just feel sad because I’m suspecting serious cognitive decline or mental illness. At this point it’s just watching someone have a crisis.

It's true that the need for all of this right-wing adulation didn't really blow up until Grimes left him for a trans person, but he was always this person. Ask Peter Thiel.

Remember, the entire point of this X exercise is revenge on people who wronged him at PayPal (where he demonstrated total incompetence at managing software projects and people). He's going to show them, dammit. He's going to show all of them!

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by ethanbond »

nickstinemates wrote: post #65
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

Wait - how does he simultaneously bid on a site with "no revenue" and then "kill 50% of it." If the revenue was meaningless then killing half of it shouldn't matter. If it wasn't meaningless then the "no revenue" comment makes no sense. Which is it?

It would make complete sense even if the total revenue was $1, which of course it wasn’t.

I suspect you know exactly what was meant by those two statements..

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by hsjqllzlfkf »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #44
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

Is Twitter usage (measured in daily active user hours per day) lower now than it was before the acquisition?

Almost all engagement metrics are self-reported, and companies in the "attention economy" tend to lie about them; I don't expect elon musk to be any better.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by jallen_dot_dev »

TX81Z wrote: post #40
soligern wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren’t Musk and the Zuck feuding right now? This is a hilarious setup.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

I know you're being sarcastic, but it's shocking how many people think he's actually a genius and all his missteps are really galaxy-brain maneuvers we just don't understand yet. Like, there are millions of them.

Re: Microsoft Owns the Trademark for “X”

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Post by IvyMike »

nickstinemates wrote: post #65
TX81Z wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon had this planned out from the start, 50 steps ahead. Make an outrageously high bid on a site with no consistent profit, try desperately to get out of the deal, and fail (as a misdirection of course), alienate power users, kill 50% of revenue, totally nuke site reliability, lose all the top talent, and of course, rack up a pile of lawsuits a mile deep. And only THEN, blow everybody’s mind by jettisoning a brand s…

Wait - how does he simultaneously bid on a site with "no revenue" and then "kill 50% of it." If the revenue was meaningless then killing half of it shouldn't matter. If it wasn't meaningless then the "no revenue" comment makes no sense. Which is it?

The phrase "no revenue" should have been "no profit".
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