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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by defrost »

plasticman1 wrote: post #67
defrost wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving aside the small matter of your entire take here being utterly wrong, there's this: > Even since the last ice age, within the existence of humanity, seas have risen 120 METERS. It had absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Do, seriously, check your sources. Now, go to the actual papers they cite. Now read them very very carefully. Do they actually say that global sea level changed by hundreds of metres?…

Actually everything he wrote has merit. However your response is extremely condescending, and doesn't help your cause, if in fact you care about climate change. You sound like a climate zealot who downvotes someone if they disagree with you.

* I've not downvoted anyone here.

* I've spent decades in earth scale geophysics directed toward energy and mineral exploration.

* I don't do "climate" studies | research.

* I have written > million SLOC of mapping, aquisition, processing, interpretation, display code .. dull "spherical" spreadsheet stuff orientated toward magnetic, radiometric, EM, tidal, gravimetric, etc. computations.

How about yourself then?

What have you been up to these past 40 years?

( aside from spinning up a meconium comment obviously )

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by croes »

pjerem wrote: post #57
croes wrote: post #19

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Still no solution for nuclear waste, still depend on external water cooling, security can't handle threads like cyber attacks and airplane crashes. That generation of power plants isn't really helping and new ones need a lot of time to build and produce lots of CO2 in the process.

> Still no solution for nuclear waste That’s false. In France we have a project to bury them 500m underground in stable geological formations. And even if this site failed to retain the radioactive (which studies says it will not) that would be a minor issue against climate change. As for security issues since nuclear power exists (~70 years) we can count deadly accidents in some dozens of victims while the pollution…

>That’s false. In France we have a project to bury them

It's not a solution if it's still a project otherwise nuclear fusion and carbon dioxide capturing would be solutions too.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by reverius42 »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #72

Which will occur first, irreversible worldwide climate catastrophe, or the technological singularity? Either way, the 2020s will be the most pivotal decade in human history.

One (or both?) of those things has perhaps already happened.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by psychphysic »

defrost wrote: post #68
Animats wrote: post #56

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It's not clear why you would post that but it's certainly worth pointing out that climate change denialism has been funded since the mid 1970s and that the author of that opinion piece is Art Robinson, a recent Oregon State Senator and long time denier via his "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine". While it adds nothing to the history of actual earth based science it is certainly an insight into the history clim…

Thanks for posting the link so I could see the article.

I did only skim it, and I'm surprised.

I don't think it's an unreasonable criticism for 1997. But that's over a quarter of a century ago.

He accepts CO2 is probably released by humans and apparently at a rate the sinks can't cope. He accepts that CO2 and other greenhouse gasses can lead to warming.

But says that the data thus far had not borne out global warming was happening.

That's not unreasonable for the time.

25 more years of data and there is plenty to suggest that there is a global warming effect significantly contributed to by emissions.

What is unreasonable is to take a theory that is that good axiomatically (he accepts all its assumptions as clearly evident) and say let's not look into this anymore. That's bonkers given the stakes.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

defrost wrote: post #18
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #15

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The right has been accused of denialism for decades at this point, but any time solutions they might be in favor of are proposed, the left gives us hysterics about how geo-engineering is too dangerous to contemplate. This leads me to believe that they're lying about how important it is to them. Supposedly, it is a world-ending scenario... at least when it comes to wrecking economies. But the moment real fixes are dis…

> But the moment real fixes are discussed Yeah, Nuh. "detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down" isn't a real solution, and we've done this before .. leaving aside the two atomic detonations at the end of WWII and looking just at the 2,000 test detonations since (many larger, much larger, than the H & N explosions) the absolute worst case examples were ground…

> "detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough

Don't need thermonukes. Seed the oceans with iron.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by jemmyw »

RagnarD wrote: post #41

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Cool so now that you've informed climate scientists these facts about the Earth what changes do you foresee in the results? Or... or maybe at least some of the scientists actually know some of these things? Oh man, what happens if actually most or all of these so called climate scientists actually know about these things? That's going to be really embarrassing for you. If you asked a few of them and it turned out they do would you re-evaluate your position?

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Post by Sharlin »

danjac wrote: post #51
H8crilA wrote: post #49

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I don't think that explains it. Many Green voters experience some sort of self-hatered, they claim humanity is a disease, etc. In particular many voters do not want nuclear power at all.

They don't want it thanks to decades-long misinformation campaign waged with fossil fuel money. The Finnish Greens are pro-nuclear, perhaps because they are not beholden to the same sources of funding as their German counterparts (and not to just blame the Greens here: look at your former Chancellor Schroeder).

The Finnish Greens have only been explicitly pro-nuclear, or at least lukewarm toward nuclear as the least bad out of bad solutions, for a few years. This is to a large extent due to a shift of power from the old guard to a STEM-friendly faction inside the party. But less than ten years ago, in 2014, when the then government decided to give a preliminary permission to build another nuclear plant in Finland, the Greens left the coalition govt in protest, as they also did in 2002.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #60
defrost wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the moment real fixes are discussed Yeah, Nuh. "detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down" isn't a real solution, and we've done this before .. leaving aside the two atomic detonations at the end of WWII and looking just at the 2,000 test detonations since (many larger, much larger, than the H & N explosions) the absolute worst case examples were ground…

Woa! Be careful! Baby making seems like a holy activity for some people on HN and elsewhere. Any time you suggest not having as many children or not making as babies all around the world, some very intelligent person will put words in your mouth and reinterpret your words in bad ways, to be able to call you a murderer or similar. Part of the problem. And of course when it comes to making babies almost everyone thinks…

Demographic implosion is a real thing. Japan's population is already dropping, and it's only just starting to pick up steam, with most western nations only a decade or two behind.

China can't even turn off their "one child policy". It was a switch they could flip, and now can't unflip. How's that going to work out for them?

My children are enthusiastic about becoming parents themselves one day, and I wouldn't be shocked if we get 6 or more grandchildren. Turns out, all you have to do is always behave as if having children is a good thing... which was easy for me, since it is. It seems likely that the future will look alot more like me than it will look like you.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by wesleywt »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #15
H8crilA wrote: post #4

At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…

The right has been accused of denialism for decades at this point, but any time solutions they might be in favor of are proposed, the left gives us hysterics about how geo-engineering is too dangerous to contemplate. This leads me to believe that they're lying about how important it is to them. Supposedly, it is a world-ending scenario... at least when it comes to wrecking economies. But the moment real fixes are dis…

Amazing that now the effects of climate denial by the right, the right-winger in the comment tries to deny it.
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