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Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by XorNot »

fbdab103 wrote: post #60
XorNot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Releasing the information 4 days later implies it took 4 days to properly process and categorize. It probably did take some time to properly process and categorize it, because anomalous sounds happen underwater all the time, and unless it's a subsea nuclear detonation or a Russian propeller screw then it's going to go into the "figure it out later" bucket. So what we know is it took no more then 4 days to categorize…

>Joe Internet-Commentator looks at that and says "oh it was totally instant, probably". Kind of, yeah. There is a good timeline on when the ship was in water, when an event would have occurred, plus a very narrow geographical search area. That is significantly more information than is ever available when chasing ghost submarines. It is difficult for me to imagine some bored analyst did not pop open a graph of activit…

Sure, but literally everything they're looking at is classified capability or may include classified capability. They don't have permission to just post a hot-take on Twitter, and definitely don't have permission to unilaterally release supporting data.

All of that has to run through the chain of command and declassification process.

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by khy »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #24
manzanarama wrote: post #6

This writing is so clear and good. I can't tell you how many NYT articles I read where the paragraphs feel out of order, chopped up and there is no consistent flow. This reads very enjoyably.

That kind of modern journalism is absurd. Originally the rule in journalism was, the first paragraph must contain who, when, what, where, then subsequent paragraphs fill in the details in either chronological or logical order. Now the first paragraph must contain an emotional human-interest style “hook” to rope in the reader, then bury the lede in some random spot in the remainder of the text, in an attempt to keep t…

"John Smith is buttering his toast with a spoon, much to the bemusement of our waitress Jane at the All Day Diner on the outskirts of Duluth Minnesota..."

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by SkyMarshal »

ProAm wrote: post #68
SkyMarshal wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None, why? Are paywalled articles written in the traditional way since they already have a revenue source and don’t need to addict people?

So you dont pay for any of it and then complain this is what they have to do to get views and clicks. Chicken meet egg, egg meet chicken, pot meet kettle.

This whole thread we’re in was started by someone observing how well-written and clear the original article is, so I don’t think the only way to get clicks is to write in the way I’m complaining about.

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by absoflutely »

supernova87a wrote: post #46

An almost mandatory entertaining article, whenever topics about cables, ocean floor, submarines come up: https://www.wired.com/1996/12/ffglass/ "Mother Earth, Mother Board" (stories about laying undersea cable and the history of wiring the Earth up" (or unpaywalled: https://archive.is/ICkHe )

Sadly the unpaywalled version is also paywalled

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by Davy_Crockett »

absoflutely wrote: post #74
supernova87a wrote: post #46

An almost mandatory entertaining article, whenever topics about cables, ocean floor, submarines come up: https://www.wired.com/1996/12/ffglass/ "Mother Earth, Mother Board" (stories about laying undersea cable and the history of wiring the Earth up" (or unpaywalled: https://archive.is/ICkHe )

Sadly the unpaywalled version is also paywalled

https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by KennyBlanken »

stuff800 wrote: post #62

> Instead, the battle of submarine silence has mostly revolved around obscure technical problems of fluid dynamics, since one of the loudest noises made by submarines is the cavitation around the screw. Cavitation is loud, but usually only happens if they're running full out. What they're really listening for now are reactor plant noises. > I don't know if this is true today, but at least years ago the low-noise desi…

> . What they're really listening for now are reactor plant noises.

Yep; a fanatical obsession with reducing plant noise is why US subs were so quiet compared to everyone else. The author knows fuck-all about what he's talking about going on about cavitation.

It's also why diesel hybrid subs from Sweden are nearly undetectable. There's virtually no plant noise - probably just a coolant pump or two - while running on battery. They are sometimes 'hired' by other navies for exercises because they're so incredibly quiet.

He's spouting pure bullshit about the Navy retroactively going back over their 'tapes'. He first explains that for decades the Navy has run computerized classification systems, but then we're supposed to believe that a highly sensitive listening array did not detect the extremely energetic implosion that would sound like nothing else?

Cameron said that buddies in the navy told him very quickly that they'd heard the implosion, but they were confirming what he already knew when he heard that telemetry was lost at the same time as comms; telemetry came from a completely separate external pressure vessel. It going silent means it was destroyed, and the only way that could have happened was the sub imploding.

The bit about it being unrecognizable as an implosion because of its unique construction is complete supposition.

This is what happens when you have an article about submarines written by a guy who checks is a github engineer who likes 80's and 90's phone technology.

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Post by mcpackieh »

stuff800 wrote: post #62

> Instead, the battle of submarine silence has mostly revolved around obscure technical problems of fluid dynamics, since one of the loudest noises made by submarines is the cavitation around the screw. Cavitation is loud, but usually only happens if they're running full out. What they're really listening for now are reactor plant noises. > I don't know if this is true today, but at least years ago the low-noise desi…

They do seem to cover the intake and output: https://www.thedrive.com/content/2020/01/werw.jpg?quality=85

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by supernova87a »

absoflutely wrote: post #74
supernova87a wrote: post #46

An almost mandatory entertaining article, whenever topics about cables, ocean floor, submarines come up: https://www.wired.com/1996/12/ffglass/ "Mother Earth, Mother Board" (stories about laying undersea cable and the history of wiring the Earth up" (or unpaywalled: https://archive.is/ICkHe )

Sadly the unpaywalled version is also paywalled

Oh, sorry about that. If you roll back a couple versions it's here:

https://archive.is/19Msi

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by batch12 »

> This website is begrudgingly generated by the use of software. Letters to the editor are welcome via facsimile

What does this mean? Is it a reference I'm missing, a vague disclaimer for generated text, or am I reading too much into the footer?

Re: Underwater ears everywhere

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Post by vGPU »

supernova87a wrote: post #46

An almost mandatory entertaining article, whenever topics about cables, ocean floor, submarines come up: https://www.wired.com/1996/12/ffglass/ "Mother Earth, Mother Board" (stories about laying undersea cable and the history of wiring the Earth up" (or unpaywalled: https://archive.is/ICkHe )

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