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The deindustrialization of Germany

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Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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The childred didn't earn it either.

It's surprising to me that Europeans aren't more opposed to generational wealth. Didn't many countries fight multiple wars and revolutions to overthrow/re-instate the entrenched agrarian aristocracy? why would Europeans be comfortable allowing the Entrenchment of a modern aristocracy a hundred years later?

It's always one aristocracy fighting another. It will always be. Some are better, some are worse for those below.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Opposite lots of commenters here deriding the article as "all over the place", I thought it was very well-written and comprehensive. Seems like there are concerns across a wide swath of companies and industries in Germany. Reading between the lines, the proposed solution seems something like lower corporate taxes (currently making decamping to Dublin more attractive) and lower energy prices. The risk brought up is th…

Also gutting labor rights, but I suppose that's always suggested by liberals no matter what

What about employer rights? Right to fire poorly performing schmucks?

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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i would not be so hopeful. A big problem is that germany does not operate in the global lingua franca - English. This really shows when countries like Australia and Canada - combined, both have a population less than germany’s - are able to attract the best and brightest from around the world. Another problem is one that plagues all old world countries - societies are based around ethnicity. These combine to mean tha…

Eastern European people are very much german orientated. Most speak better German than English. So no you are not right. Germany is immensively popular by tech migrants from Russia. Poland, Hungary, Czech etc.

>astern European people are very much german orientated.

Not true in Romania at all. We're latin and way more US/angloshpere oriented than German.

Where did you get your information? You're probably thinking only of the parts of the former Austrian empire which used to speak German, but the youth there is also more Anglo focused than German, and it's only a samll part of eastern Europe

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Keep in mind that politico is a subsidiary of Axel Springer, which is largely controlled by a man that has recently been exposed to have actively ordered chief editors write in support of the party of economic liberalism (FDP) before the last election in Germany. I.e. it is entirely possible that this article is also politically motivated.

I keep seeing people saying this about Politico and it's total FUD. I have friends who work there and it's pretty firewalled from Axel Springer. This conspiracy theory for the Politico portion seems to have started in r/Europe and r/WorldNews a couple months ago and kept getting repeated since.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Keep in mind that politico is a subsidiary of Axel Springer, which is largely controlled by a man that has recently been exposed to have actively ordered chief editors write in support of the party of economic liberalism (FDP) before the last election in Germany. I.e. it is entirely possible that this article is also politically motivated.

If you are reading any news site about it - it’s political to someone.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Germany is extremely well positioned to rise again economically in the next five years or so. It's attracting migrants from all over Europe, it's located quite nicely in the middle of the continent and it's currently building a massive capacity of renewable energy. The only real problem right now is efficiency of spending. Nearly all public sectors (defense, housing, transportation, education, healthcare) bemoan sign…

I help German immigrants for a living. It's currently one of the hardest countries to settle in due to the archaic and labyrinthine bureaucracy. Berlin's immigration office is completely unable to handle its workload, delaying immigration to the point people just give up and leave. I've been here long enough to apply for citizenship, but Berlin has a backlog of 26,000 applications and literally refuses new ones until…

Maybe Berlin has just reached maximum occupancy? I mean, we'd all like to live in our favorite dream city, but how long is that sustainable long term, if we all move to one city?

Germany seems like it wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants more migration to put downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on housing prices, but that's it, it does nothing to actually make life pleasant and attractive for the people moving there to live and work, in terms of taxes, bureaucracy and housing, so you just feel like cattle, exploited for your ability to pay taxes to the state and to pay someone else's mortgage.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Germany is extremely well positioned to rise again economically in the next five years or so. It's attracting migrants from all over Europe, it's located quite nicely in the middle of the continent and it's currently building a massive capacity of renewable energy. The only real problem right now is efficiency of spending. Nearly all public sectors (defense, housing, transportation, education, healthcare) bemoan sign…

i would not be so hopeful. A big problem is that germany does not operate in the global lingua franca - English. This really shows when countries like Australia and Canada - combined, both have a population less than germany’s - are able to attract the best and brightest from around the world. Another problem is one that plagues all old world countries - societies are based around ethnicity. These combine to mean tha…

>These combine to mean that Germany and the EU in general are not attracting the best from abroad.

How many skilled Eastern Europeans have you met who still want to move to Germany? This was the dream ~10 years ago but most white collar EE engineers I know take one look at the wages and housing situation there and make a 180 back home.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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Honestly, I've never seen a good article from Politico eu.

Politico is owned by Axel Springer, which is the German equivalent of Fox News, if that explains it.

I keep seeing people saying this about Politico and it's total FUD. I have friends who work there and it's pretty firewalled from Axel Springer. This conspiracy theory about the Politico portion seems to have started in r/Europe and r/WorldNews a couple months ago and kept getting repeated since.

Re: The deindustrialization of Germany

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The childred didn't earn it either.

But the parents did and, as such, get to decide where to put that money. Again: Always time to take money you didn't earn. Greed is an ugly emotion and socialism/marxism/theft is a fail no matter how you try to dress it up.

Seriously? It's not billionaires who "earn" money by doing nothing who are greedy, but those who think such greed should not be allowed to perpetuate across generations? That is the position you're trying to defend?
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