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Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by wkat4242 »

qingcharles wrote: post #59
f311a wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple replaces the whole motherboard. That’s not repair, that’s at least $1000 worth of electronics thrown away for pro max models.

I bet if the ECU in your car dies a technician is unable to open it and replace anything. Everything has to have a limit. How many Xboxes were thrown away because of one bad component? It sucks, but if the company has at least some program in place to try to recover as much as possible from damaged/used parts, then that's a bonus. And Apple seems to have a decent program for their iPhones at least with robots to tear…

At least they don't replace the whole engine when the ECU fails. That would be more like what Apple is doing.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by wkat4242 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #61
f311a wrote: post #23

I’m so tired of this kind of marketing. Meanwhile, if your SSD dies on m1 macbook, the laptop becomes unrepairable. If Apple would care about ecology, they would at least allow to resolder it.

Sure. Same situation if your CPU, Chipset, PMIC, or any random capacitor or resistor dies on any other laptop. SSDs have achieved the point where a replacement from a failure is almost unheard of compared to other components failing first. Nobody complains their laptop CPU isn't socketed. It's definitely a frustration for upgrades - but not really reliability anymore. When's the last time someone complained their pho…

I'd love my CPU to be socketed actually. Though Intel's practice of changing sockets every generation defeats the purpose a bit.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by wkat4242 »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #62
secretsatan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So they shouldn’t do this?

I never understood the use of the phrase "virtue signalling" until I realised that the people using it literally don't believe that the problem and/or the solution exists. So, imagine that you didn't believe that the earth was warming, or that humans contributed to that, or that we can't do anything to change that if it was the case, etc. etc. Clearly anyone bringing attention to these so-called facts or proposing or…

Well to be fair this doesn't "fix" anything. Not denying climate change but really, charging a phone is one of the smallest energy uses in a household. They're probably wasting more energy advertising the feature.

Also, people won't use this all the time. Often when I'm charging my phone I need it charged now, not in 10 hours.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by wkat4242 »

bb123 wrote: post #25
CyberDildonics wrote: post #4

This is a pointless stunt. A refrigerator will use 10 to 20 times the electricity of phone that is going at 100% 24 hours a day. The impact of this is ultimately nothing.

Let's assume an average iPhone battery is 5.45Wh and that they are charged to full every other night. That is 0.99kWh/year. We know there are 136 million iPhone users in the USA (1) so we are looking at 134GWh of electric consumption shifted to green generation. Now assuming those phones were previously charged on the standard energy mix in the USA that is 0.368kg of co2 saved per device per year, or 501,584,76kg of…

Only if all those iphone users use this feature all the time, and only if before enabling this they always happened to charge when clean energy wasn't available. This calculation is very optimistic.

Often people need a phone charged asap so this won't work.

If they actually make iphones more repairable and last longer so they don't have to waste natural resources to make new ones, it would have a far larger impact. But hey then they'd be making a little bit less profit.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

lxchase wrote: post #63
amoshebb wrote: post #15

Appliances that actually use energy should have this. I'd love to be able to put a wet load of laundry into my drier and press "make sure it's dry by tomorrow morning".

I hope it is not just me (please someone tell me), but I find that if you let a load of wet laundry sit overnight, it starts to stink?

It’s called mildew.

“In places with stagnant air, such as basements, moulds can produce a strong musty odour.”

[0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mildew

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

_cenw wrote: post #45

This sounds like a feature that would be more useful in Germany, where the percentage of renewables varies wildly by time of day. Also, I hate the carbon footprint framing, a concept invented by fossil fuel companies to direct attention away from systemic issues. Climate change is not an individual issue and this feature at scale is already much more impactful than a thousand people checking their carbon footprint.

I hate carbon footprint for a related but distinct issue: companies such as Apple or Microsoft use it as a way to say they’re “green” while producing untold levels of ewaste. They can’t even follow the Three Rs. Reduction of waste is literally the most important for a reason.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

JoshTko wrote: post #14
honeybadger1 wrote: post #6

Toggle on virtue signaling.

At Apple's scale the effort building this feature is certainly worth the co2 impact. edit: impact would be approx. the same as powering 300k US homes to only use clean energy.

At Apple’s scale a more worthwhile problem is reducing ewaste and reusing what’s available. For instance, not designing their overpriced devices to kill themselves regularly.

This is still nice, mind you, but hiring competent designers and setting up reusable designs is a far more important problem. One they’re not willing to touch.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

Toutouxc wrote: post #64
alpineidyll3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More likely a play to reduce battery lifetime by increasing incidence of full discharge... Note a year ago they settled a lawsuit about throttling CPUs with updates on older iphones for the same purpose. The environmental footprint of an iphone is significant no matter what offset fake math they employ....

They were throttling CPUs to literally extend the life of the phone. They did it so your phone could still run reliably with an old battery which would otherwise need to be replaced.

So they were “fixing” a problem they caused. CPUs wouldn’t need to be throttled if batteries could be more easily replaced.

And theoretically, if this was the case, why isn’t there an option to throttle? It is the user’s device. And why wasn’t it used to help lengthen the battery life of the new phones? I certainly would prefer throttling my CPU to lengthen battery life.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

Toutouxc wrote: post #65

On one hand, simply going back from MagSafe to wired charging would probably save significantly more CO2 (wireless charging is inefficient as hell), but my guess is that this is mostly a way to draw attention to the problem. To subtly inject thinking about how we generate and use electricity into something as mundane and common as charging a phone. Which is cool by me.

I would imagine its far more important for them to point out to shareholders that this has a “green impact” to raise their ESG score, rather than trying to make it a well-known problem.

Re: Use clean energy charging on your iPhone

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Post by bradknowles »

npsimons wrote: post #27
amoshebb wrote: post #15

Appliances that actually use energy should have this. I'd love to be able to put a wet load of laundry into my drier and press "make sure it's dry by tomorrow morning".

> I'd love to be able to put a wet load of laundry into my drier and press "make sure it's dry by tomorrow morning". So, I do a bit of this myself, manually. I've got a table of appliances and wattages, both rated and measured (using a Kill-O-Watt). I also have a 6kW (max) solar panel installation, plus I'm on a time-of-day metered plan. I try to make sure that anything that uses hot water (tankless full electric wat…

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