It's a European cultural issue. Denmark is not any different. There are big discussions in Denmark right now about how to create growth. So the following can be applied to Germany as well I think. I am saddened to see that most politicians thinking is: 1. Education 2. Green Tech (Wind Mills and Wave Mills primarily with government funding. Yes you heard that right) 3. Upgrading your education 4. Education 5. Innovati…
Don´t worry we are far off in Spain... :(
Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
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Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#721) Social Rule Obey Factor: This signifies how the people in the country are willing to follow social and legal rules, even when they appear frivolous. This factor obviously is hard to quantify, but an easy heuristic to compare countries in this dimension is to look at their traffic pattern: In countries like India, China, Russia, Turkey the traffic is mess, due to the fact people do not really care about the rules, e.g. "if other people obey the rules I can get ahead with not obeying". Having a high SROF, i.e. "follow the leader type society" is an impediment to innovation because innovators and entrepreneurs are by their very nature anti-authoritarian and like to go against the rules (e.g. Feynman's safe breaking adventures at Los Alamos), this is sometimes called the "hacker culture". On the other hand, too low a SROF leads to anything goes type societies which may be detrimental to developing important aspects of the entrepreneurship culture, e.g. IP.
2) Entrepreneurial Spirit Factor: This is what people have discussed in their comments here, a lack of fear of failing, taking risks, etc. The ESF of a society correlates highly to historical factors, e.g. in the US it's high due to the "pioneer spirit", in Israel due to the sense or urgency (surrounded by enemies). It's very hard to boost up ESF in the short term. As Adam Shand has put it: "We can't create a culture of freedom and innovation, but we can build a network which fosters its growth", i.e. you can only try to nourish ESF by creating secondary tools (e.g. VCs, entrepreneurial networks), you can't increase it directly.
So, I divide countries (again, simplifying things, of course) as follows:
|------------|--------------|---------------|
| | High ESF | Low ESF |
|------------|--------------|---------------|
| High SROF | US | Most of Europe|
|------------|--------------|---------------|
| Low SROF | India, China | |
|------------|--------------|---------------|
The US is in the best spot, having both factors high; however, its SROF is just at the Goldilocks point, neither too high as to stifle innovation or too low to lead to chaotic behavior. This is achieved by the existence of very low SROF cultures, i.e. SV in an otherwise high SROF country. Countries like India and China (also Russia, Turkey, Brazil, etc.) have a high ESH but low SROF, which makes things chaotic and slows down the set up reliable entrepreneurial institutions. As mentioned in most of the comments here, Europe has to get over it culturally induced low ESF. Again, I think, the reason is cultural: Most European society historically had rigid class-based societal structures (e.g. even today people are generally classified by their vocation) so there may be an instinctive aversion to people who want to shake the structure and cannot be classified easily. This, of course, doesn't explain the success of India, with its rigid caste structure. I think the very strong jugaad culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad), which is also prevalent in countries like Russia and Turkey may explain this. As raganwald emphasizes, "At either end of the educational spectrum, there lies a hacker class".Who is in the bottom right cell? An example would be most Arab countries, with dismal levels of ESF (not needed due to oil money).
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
The word "Kebab" describes a different dish in the Middle East and in Germany.
All dishes are different around the world - spaghetti, sushi, pizza, hamburger, etc. Sometimes a dish is luxury in one country and casual food in the other. It always differs, even across regions of one country, regional influences, etc. It doesn't mean it's a different dish by definition.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#74"People in SV are not afraid to fail. In fact, having failed before is considered a great quality. If you haven’t failed, you’re either inexperienced or suspicious. Startups try, fail, try again, pivot, fail and try again." I think aside from maybe regulation, this is the biggest issue that Germany has and it's also the same one that Japan faces. The fear of failure and losing face. I'm not even sure that you can cha…
Is it true everywhere in the US that tried and failed is seen as a quality or is it something very special to SV ? I think that the US really are the exception here, it seems that in most countries world wide, failing is not really seen as having benefits.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is because they are Shwarma's and are completely different again. The kebab is a Berlin invention (according to TimeOut Berlin). Which makes sense, a marriage of the German sausage + bread culture with some dish from the middle east.
Döner - not Kebap - is a german (berlin) invention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab
Before taking its modern form, as mentioned in Ottoman travel books of the 18th century,[6][7] the doner used to be a horizontal stack of meat rather than vertical, probably sharing common ancestors with the Cağ Kebabı of the Eastern Turkish province of Erzurum.
In his own family biography, İskender Efendi of 19th century Bursa writes that "he and his grandfather had the idea of roasting the lamb vertically rather than horizontally, and invented for that purpose a vertical mangal".[8] With time, the meat took a different marinade, got leaner, and eventually took its modern shape.[7] The Greek gyro, along with the similar Middle Eastern shawarma and Mexican tacos al pastor, are derived from this dish.[9] There are several stories regarding the origins of gyros in Greece: One says that the first "gyrádiko" was "Giorgos" who brought gyros to Thessaloniki in 1900[citation needed]; another legend from a meat production company states that döner was first introduced in the 1950s in Piraeus by a cook from Istanbul.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
All dishes are different around the world - spaghetti, sushi, pizza, hamburger, etc. Sometimes a dish is luxury in one country and casual food in the other. It always differs, even across regions of one country, regional influences, etc. It doesn't mean it's a different dish by definition.
No, literally - the middle-eastern "kebab" is called cevapcici in Europe (at least in Ausria/Germany), it's a totally different dish from dönner kebab.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Döner - not Kebap - is a german (berlin) invention.
yeeeah riiiiiiiiight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner_kebab Before taking its modern form, as mentioned in Ottoman travel books of the 18th century,[6][7] the doner used to be a horizontal stack of meat rather than vertical, probably sharing common ancestors with the Cağ Kebabı of the Eastern Turkish province of Erzurum. In his own family biography, İskender Efendi of 19th century Bursa writes that "he and his gran…
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#78Tell HN: I participated in a German Government startup program in 2004/2005 called EXIST-SEED (nowadays called EXIST Gründerstipendium). I wouldn't recommend this to anyone. The funding I got was relatively modest (35 kEUR in my case -- as a consultant I now earn more than that within 4 months) and I was drowned in bureaucracy. To this very day, I am arguing with the German IRS because they do not want to treat a fai…
Do you mind sharing any details, especially about the issues with the Finanzamt? As someone who considers a startup in .de I fear issues like that.
Download the Umsatzsteueranwendungserlass and go to page 63 of that PDF (section 2.3. "Gewerbliche oder berufliche Tätigkeit") to find a list of things that indicate whether you're having a business or not:
http://www.bundesfinanzministerium.de/nn_112540/DE/Wirtschaf...
In theory, if you fulfill the definition in that PDF, you're on the safe side. In practice however, the Finanzamt often tries to fleece you by simply making a claim that something can't be deducted, shifting the burden of proof to you. My particular case is still in dispute, I have an appeal (Einspruch) running against their decision. Most likely they'll lose, but they try to fleece people nevertheless because they figure that people will just pay and not spare the time to counter their evil tricks. If you do decide to shoot back, you have to be a German native speaker so you can read the laws and you should have some experience with the tax system. Alternatively, get a Steuerberater but be prepared to waste more money on your Steuerberater than what you would otherwise have paid for the Finanzamt's tricks.
One final word of warning: If your startup fails and you wind down the company, be prepared that the Finanzamt will conduct a detailed examination of the tax declaration of the past 3 years (Betriebsprüfung/Außenprüfung). This can drag on for several years because they're pretty slow. Apparently they routinely do this whenever a company is shut down.
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#79I am a German engineering student. I will try to describe the situation as I see it from here. 1. Start-Ups are lacking incentives: Germans are obsessed with evaluating risks and will almost always go for the safe bet, rather the risky way. Its somehow ingrained in our culture. So the college grad has two options: 1- Land a safe job in the industry (eg. automotive), company benefits maybe even a company car. Thanks t…
Your first point raises an interesting issue: For an individual, working for a start-up is almost certainly a bad bet. Most likely the company you start will go out of business. Moderate upsides are rare. Massive gains are incredibly rare (although obviously they're the ones everyone points to and remembers). However for the German (US, etc) economy , having a start-up culture is valuable. That's where the future tec…
Re: Why Germany should copy Silicon Valley's culture rather than their startups
#80I am a German engineering student. I will try to describe the situation as I see it from here. 1. Start-Ups are lacking incentives: Germans are obsessed with evaluating risks and will almost always go for the safe bet, rather the risky way. Its somehow ingrained in our culture. So the college grad has two options: 1- Land a safe job in the industry (eg. automotive), company benefits maybe even a company car. Thanks t…
Your first point raises an interesting issue: For an individual, working for a start-up is almost certainly a bad bet. Most likely the company you start will go out of business. Moderate upsides are rare. Massive gains are incredibly rare (although obviously they're the ones everyone points to and remembers). However for the German (US, etc) economy , having a start-up culture is valuable. That's where the future tec…