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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Xenoamorphous »

tsimionescu wrote: post #23
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data. Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platfo…

Completely agree. Privacy is discussed a lot in HN and other techy places, but out there the average joe/jane couldn’t care less about tracking, cookies and all that stuff.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by that_guy_iain »

heystefan wrote: post #67
that_guy_iain wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

If you're itching to invite someone, feel free to send one to stefan+hn@heystefan.com :)

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by that_guy_iain »

azeirah wrote: post #68
that_guy_iain wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by [deleted] »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by paulgb »

I’d push back a bit on the claim that atproto features, particularly decoupling identity from the topology of federation, could have been done as extensions to ActivityPub. It’s a fundamental part of the way information flows in ActivityPub vs atproto.

I tried Mastodon for a bit and like the community there, but I found they were very deliberately trying to build a place that wasn’t like twitter: building federated search is frowned-upon; no quote-tweets; extremely low threshold for content warnings.

They’re building something different and that’s great, but it’s no surprise that people fleeing twitter want to go to the more twitter-like app.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Hamuko »

devttyeu wrote: post #48
CountGeek wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They (Bluesky) blew it. They had one job and that was to be ready for this moment and what did they do? Continue with the invite system (which is from Gmail era) and then disable account creations...

Eh, it's not the first time Twitter is horribly broken and/or makes an unpopular decision, and it probably won't be the last one.

Would've been easier to capture all of the Twitter refugees now. I already saw a bunch of people opt for Mastodon or Misclick because Bluesky just wasn't an option.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by FridgeSeal »

threeseed wrote: post #22

Meanwhile, Meta Threads is on track to launch shortly [1]. Which is based on an open-standard, interoperates with Mastodon and is from a company that has the battle scars to prove that they can operate a global service in a mature and a reasonable way. Given Jack Dorsey's support of the crazier positions of Elon Musk and RFK e.g. WiFi causes leaky brain it really does look like the best of a bad bunch. [1] https://ww…

Gross, another Facebook product. I wouldn’t be touching anything Facebook builds with a 10-foot-pole and a hazmat suit. Does anyone actually want awful-Facebook Twitter? It’ll be the worst bits of Facebook and Twitter in record time.

> Which is based on an open-standard, interoperates with Mastodon

By which we mean: capitalises on work done to form an open standard, to parasitically drain users, and then deliberately break compatibility a year down the track. FB messenger literally did this when it started too - supported a bunch of different protocols to capture everyone, and then let them break.

That said, I’m impressed teams at Facebook have managed to stop working on stealing features wholesale from TikTok and Zuck’s anaemic VR disaster long enough to knock out an app to parasitise a different community.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by edtechdev »

mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

There are some activitypub apps that support nomadic identity like HubZilla and Streams: https://codeberg.org/streams/streams

Another non-activitypub alternative is nostr, where your identity is a public/private key pair: https://github.com/aljazceru/awesome-nostr

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