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How to Do Great Work

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Re: How to Do Great Work

#71
Paul the creator of Ycombinator?

hmm… depends what you consider great. last time i checked companies you helped, one of them was Rappi. they came to Brazil and basically destroyed the bicycle courier scene with anti-competitive practices on other companies just because they were rolling on money. after them, it is pretty rare to see someone working with deliveries and bicycles… and they are more silent and ecological than any motor-cycle or car. and actually smart considering the amount of damage noise and pollution from motor does.

anyway, considering something great is a sensible topic. specially if you taking the amount of money made as a important factor. maybe that is why the world is full of people digging CEOs status on top of zombie-like consumers that can not think for themselves

Re: How to Do Great Work

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s literally a note that says the text assumes you’re very ambitious. If you have no desire to work towards some definition of “greatness”, I assume that you’re not ambitious, and the text doesn’t apply to you. Which is ok! You don’t need to be ambitious, but it also means you shouldn’t take this essay so personally.

This is a oddly very narrow view of ambition.

Genuinely not sure what you mean — it seems like the standard definition of ambition.

How would you define it?

Re: How to Do Great Work

#73

> Develop a habit of working on your own projects. Don't let "work" mean something other people tell you to do. I spend eight hours+ a day supporting my addiction to food and shelter. Why would I spend my free time working toward “greatness” instead of doing hobbies I enjoy and spending time with friends and family? Any other time I have I’m spending working out and training for runs - neither of which I will ever be…

Sometimes that side work prepares you for a day job that's more enjoyable and/or pays better.

I found it much better to work “overtime” at my day job to learn new to me technologies and do POCs if the company is not using the technology or to volunteer for assignments based on something I don’t know well and put in extra time to meet the deadline.

One reason is that I can seek feedback from coworkers and polish the POC. I also can take advantage of infrastructure that may be cost prohibitive to test something at scale based on real world usage.

The other reason is that for my next job, it’s much more impressive to say I spearheaded work for a company than a hobbyist side project.

Yes I know one advantage of your own side project is that you can show your code. But most of the time the hiring manager isn’t going to take time to look at your work anyway.

I have personally been fortunate enough to have unfettered Admin access to an AWS account on someone else’s dime between two jobs for the past five years where I could experiment and learn on the job.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#74

> Knowledge expands fractally, and from a distance its edges look smooth, but once you learn enough to get close to one, they turn out to be full of gaps. It is incredibly easy to get onto untrodden ground just by stepping off the main path a bit. You’re fighting with a lot of smart people to have a new insight about pi and e. But if you focus on application of theory, it’s very easy to do something new. Application…

It’s so incredible how deep the rabbit-hole goes when you try to solve a real world problem and you have the capacity to understand and pull information from a vast number of seemingly unrelated works. I really believe that this is the best time to be a polymath, or at least have a broad spectrum of knowledge and references to look into and pull information from; and that being a true generalist that can dive as deep…

> It’s so incredible how deep the rabbit-hole goes when you try to solve a real world problem and you have the capacity to understand and pull information from a vast number of seemingly unrelated works.

It's funny, I considered quoting this other part as well:

> The big prize is to discover a new fractal bud. You notice a crack in the surface of knowledge, pry it open, and there's a whole world inside.

The nature of fractals is that everything is a new fractal bud. There's really endless complexity everywhere. So I don't think that alone is the "big prize". There's some other dimension, like utility or interest. Because I get that discovering a new subfield of topology is different from discovering the new sounds you can make banging on your stove. But it's not just that one has more to it than the other.

Real world problems with disparate fields involved are a rich of source of "medium sized" fractal buds by this unnamed measure. No one is dedicating their life to your application of measure theory to data dashboards, but it's meatier than searching in the absurd and easier to find than breaking ground in pure theory.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#75

It feels like this takes a very narrow definition of greatness which is more aligned to innovation and "What will make you famous" or "What will be commercially successful". From plant life and human health all the way up to nation states, there are lots of people doing great work just making sure that things keep running smoothly.

IMO he’s talking about innovation and creation as “great work”.

Sure there’s vast numbers of people doing great work that isn’t innovation and creation.

You’re dismissing the insights here too quickly if you’re just wanting to find fault with the intersection of the term “great work” with all the people in the world doing all sorts of different types of great work.

This is about creation and innovation as great work.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#76
As usual, this is both interesting but also so generalizing as to get frustrating in places. But it’s clearly well-meaning and earnest, which makes it easier to tolerate some of its annoyingly breezy certainty.

Then there’s this:

> Religions are collections of cherished but mistaken principles. So anything that can be described either literally or metaphorically as a religion will have valuable unexplored ideas in its shadow. Copernicus and Darwin both made discoveries of this type.

> [18] The principles defining a religion have to be mistaken. Otherwise anyone might adopt them, and there would be nothing to distinguish the adherents of the religion from everyone else.

First, anything can be either literally or metaphorically described as a religion, so that makes this an empty principle, since it either covers nothing or everything or both. (“Cheesecake is my religion.” Etc.)

Second, the footnote is literally impenetrable to me. Honestly. I can discern no coherent meaning. That everyone could adopt a principle or belief does not mean it must be false just because everyone uniformly and indistinguishably believes it and therefore nobody disbelieves it. Whether people can be distinguished from one another with respect to some belief (say, that in base 10 arithmetic that 1+1=2) has nothing to do with the truth vel non of that belief.

And honestly, I am genuinely struggling to fathom a mind that could not only believe that statement but believe it so deeply that they breezily announce it as obviously true. So it’s funny that this is the next paragraph:

> What are people in your field religious about, in the sense of being too attached to some principle that might not be as self-evident as they think?

The only, and I mean, literally only, interpretation that I can come up with is that PG is using “religion” and “religious” in enough different ways that when he mixes them, as it seems to do here, he doesn’t notice. Or he means them ONLY in the sense of “too attached to some principle that might not be as self-evident as they think.” But I have a very strong suspicion that he is definitely not using them only in that way.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#77
Fascinated as I might be to read an approximately 11 trillion word article which says "if you want to be great then work on things you are passionate about stay fresh and curious"

I have to first stop and wonder if this is advice that I've already seen being given in embroideries, on countless coffee mugs, or along the side of a ballpoint pen.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes that side work prepares you for a day job that's more enjoyable and/or pays better.

Sure, but also sometimes you waste your life working thinking you kick ass left and right, till you arrive at certain point, ie retirement and realize you actually wasted your life, and no amount of money can change that. Sure, you have a some freedom ahead of you, but only as much as your health, finances and other circumstances allow you to, and this is usually less than people project earlier. Plus family happens…

After staying at a job for too long by 2008 and barely surviving the recession at a startup until 2012 and also getting married the same year and (gladly) becoming the father to my then 9 and 14 year old stepsons, I changed jobs six times and pushed myself to get ahead until 2020 and falling into a mid level position at BigTech (cloud consulting department).

I then tried to stay on the treadmill and I spent about a year working toward a promotion by increasing my “scope” and “impact”.

I then realized by 2022 at 48 years old, why? I make more than “enough” especially seeing I work remotely.

I then told my manager I was just interested in “improving in my current role” and my wife and I decided to do something completely different:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36306966

I’ve never been happier not trying to be “great” and being “content”

Re: How to Do Great Work

#79
post #26

I can't help but feel this essay is literally 100x longer than it needs to be for the point it's trying to make. This sort of long-winded, redundant writing seems to have gone out of style a long time ago.

> "Believe it or not, I tried to make this essay as short as I could. But its length at least means it acts as a filter. If you made it this far, you must be interested in doing great work. And if so you're already further along than you might realize, because the set of people willing to want to is small." I scrolled up and down quickly through the essay, and the above was the very first thing I randomly read.

I find that quote rather condescending. It’s also an excuse in disguise.

Re: How to Do Great Work

#80

It feels like this takes a very narrow definition of greatness which is more aligned to innovation and "What will make you famous" or "What will be commercially successful". From plant life and human health all the way up to nation states, there are lots of people doing great work just making sure that things keep running smoothly.

It’s Paul Graham. He’s a poster child for essays about how there’s one way to do things.

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