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Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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Goodreads is only good (eh, decent?) as a database of books you've read. All the other functionality is pointless and or broken. The recommendation system is a joke and is obviously used to promote nonsense instead of giving you personalised recommendations.

ChatGPT is the best book recommender I've used. Tell it a few books (even one book works) you like and it will give you solid recommendations.

I guess all that reddit content scraping is a net profit.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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I anything actually good anymore?

- Goodreads: Broken recommendation system, meh UI, review wars

- Google Search: Pointless

- Reddit: Overtly user-hostile, poor UX, tiktokified

- YouTube: Mainstream, ad-riddled, tiktokified

- Yelp: Cluttered-UI, favors jerks, hostile to businesses

- Gmail: Oh yeah we're gonna delete your emails if you don't log in after a while

- Netflix: Shrinking catalogue, worse quality shows

- Instagram: Tiktokifying

- Twitter: Mostly the worst people remain on it

- Facebook: Not much of a social network, only decent thing left is Marketplace

- Wikipedia: Strayed far from its mission, mass editing by agenda-driven groups

- LinkedIn: Recruiter-centered, mostly garbage content

- DuckDuckGo: Can't even respect quotes or intitle like it used to.

- Amazon: Tons of shabby products, tons of fake reviews

- Medium: The TEDx talks of blogging

No wonder I visit an ever shrinking number of domains daily.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

#73
post #10

Goodreads is only good (eh, decent?) as a database of books you've read. All the other functionality is pointless and or broken. The recommendation system is a joke and is obviously used to promote nonsense instead of giving you personalised recommendations.

I have trouble finding new authors or good books on there to the point that I stopped trying. I only use it for reading up reviews. I was kinda shocked reading through their top X list and finding absolute garbage, rated 8+. I wonder if they suffer from IMDB syndrome.

What I've found as a better metric of 'good' (at least for fiction) is the number of ratings, especially combined with star rating.

If something has a high number of ratings it's popular enough that it's probably decent (at least if you're into that genre).

Like a 4.38 rating w/ 2.7 million ratings (The Fellowship of the Ring) is a better bet compared to a 4.98 star with 150 ratings (random new book by unknown author).

Also, Goodreads doesn't have a 10 point system like IMDB, right? I believe all the ratings are 0 to 5.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

#74
4chan /lit/ is a highly highly underrated online 'book club'. It's almost nothing like the other boards and filled with students in literature majors. Some of my favorite books ever were recommended from there, and the 'natural flow' nature of 4chan makes it more entertaining and less mob like.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

#75

I anything actually good anymore? - Goodreads: Broken recommendation system, meh UI, review wars - Google Search: Pointless - Reddit: Overtly user-hostile, poor UX, tiktokified - YouTube: Mainstream, ad-riddled, tiktokified - Yelp: Cluttered-UI, favors jerks, hostile to businesses - Gmail: Oh yeah we're gonna delete your emails if you don't log in after a while - Netflix: Shrinking catalogue, worse quality shows - In…

My biggest complaint about Twitter is that the spam has gotten worse in the last year or so. I get 2-3 spam DMs a day, and probably once every week or two I go through and report all of them but it's never-ending.

IMO the people who left Twitter (and haven't come back) were worse than anyone who's on it now. There hasn't been any meaningful change in discourse - for better or worse - that I've noticed.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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post #10

Goodreads is only good (eh, decent?) as a database of books you've read. All the other functionality is pointless and or broken. The recommendation system is a joke and is obviously used to promote nonsense instead of giving you personalised recommendations.

I like Zotero, which is developed for academic reference management, so it can work with longform articles, blog posts, as well. It has zero recommendation features and very limited group support, which I see as a feature.

Zotero is great for keeping an inventory of your books. Super easy to add books just by entering the ISBN and sometimes tweaking the fetched entry a little.

I always export the books we have to a spreadsheet file for reference on my smartphone when we're going to a second-hand book fair.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuine question, why does it matter which version?

Not OP, but Different Translations Corrections or Updates Additions Different Illustrations

But why does it matter when you mark it as read?

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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post #70
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Typical plug anytime Goodreads is mentioned that Storygraph is trying to do similar and being actively developed. https://thestorygraph.com I still use Goodreads because it gives me notifications of new releases, but, aside from that Storygraph does the job well.

Does Storygraph have a better moderation story? Or does it just have fewer trolls because it’s smaller?

Everything I've seen tends to be pretty good. But it's probably more due to it being smaller, at least as far as I can tell. My guess is that the people on Storygraph actually _want_ a better Goodreads and so there's less likelihood of moderation being something that needs constant utilization. It'll be interesting to see if it gets worse as it grows.

I will say that I don't tend to read many reviews of books these days. I just don't find reviews of anything (including outside of books) to be worthwhile anymore. Take books as the example here, most online book platforms give you a free preview chapter or two. If a book is interesting to me I'll give the preview a read before I purchase (digital or physical). If it's not catching my attention I just move on. There are more books that I want to read than I will ever remotely be able to read before I die (thanks Four Thousand Weeks...) so I really just don't hesitate to drop something that really isn't banging in my head that I have to read it. Same goes for video games, I'll go watch one of those let's plays on YouTube and if it looks interesting after 20 minutes of game play I'll purchase. Reviews are just so easily gamed anymore and finding the good out there is super hard.

That's all to say, I don't read many reviews on Storygraph.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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post #66
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. But I ask objectively, not in comparison to Atomic Habits. And, perhaps, if there's any book better than the two... feel free to comment.

"Tiny Habits" by Dr. BJ Fogg, a research associate at Stanford, is my preferred book (though my view is more boring: I think "Atomic Habits," "The Power of Habit," and "Tiny Habits" are all worth a glance-through). From my personal experience, I remembered the most from this book years later, in contrast to the other two. Specifically, I still use the idea of "prompts" for behaviour change. I remembered how it's typi…

Thank you very much for taking the time to write this comment.

Re: Goodreads has no incentive to be good

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4chan /lit/ is a highly highly underrated online 'book club'. It's almost nothing like the other boards and filled with students in literature majors. Some of my favorite books ever were recommended from there, and the 'natural flow' nature of 4chan makes it more entertaining and less mob like.

I’ve been wary of the group since I read this:

> "I really thought long about this, and I haven't slept in two days due to ongoing harassments of 4chan," cookiengineer claimed in a post to the Tenacity GitHub Issues page some 13 hours ago. "As the first people were literally arriving at my place of living, where they knocked on my doors and windows to scare us, I am hereby officially stepping down as a maintainer of this project.

https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2021/07/07/tenacity_maintain...

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