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Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by vkou »

evandale wrote: post #70
Spivak wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People really like to use the slippery slope argument to mean "I took the most expansive interpretation of what someone did throwing away all context and came up with the worst possible thing they could do with that."

That's because if a bad actor was given the opportunity to make a lot of money doing the worst possible thing they could do with something someone will do that thing eventually 100% of the time, no exceptions. This isn't even an "Only siths deal in absolutes" scenario either. There are plenty of people in the world who will do anything in this world for money, power, wealth, and control over people and they don't car…

And? A bad actor that has power by fiat over you doesn't need a slippery slope to do bad things, they can just go and do them.

Case in point - Reddit's enshittification. Spez has decided that Reddit will now be a walled garden, and all you can do is take it or leave it.

Slippery slope arguments provide exactly zero guidance for as to when it is reasonable to stop going down the slope, which is what makes them utterly useless.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by evandale »

Gareth321 wrote: post #58
delfinom wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

The EU isn't like the US. This law will stay in effect during any court proceedings.

Coming to the conclusion that something can't happen because there exists a law that forbids it seems like it requires some faith in a system that I'm not willing to accept.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by evandale »

vkou wrote: post #71
evandale wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because if a bad actor was given the opportunity to make a lot of money doing the worst possible thing they could do with something someone will do that thing eventually 100% of the time, no exceptions. This isn't even an "Only siths deal in absolutes" scenario either. There are plenty of people in the world who will do anything in this world for money, power, wealth, and control over people and they don't car…

And? A bad actor that has power by fiat over you doesn't need a slippery slope to do bad things, they can just go and do them. Case in point - Reddit's enshittification. Spez has decided that Reddit will now be a walled garden, and all you can do is take it or leave it. Slippery slope arguments provide exactly zero guidance for as to when it is reasonable to stop going down the slope, which is what makes them utterly…

I replied to this comment and I'm sufficiently happy with my explanation. What's disagreeable about my statement in the context of answering the parent's question?

> People really like to use the slippery slope argument to mean "I took the most expansive interpretation of what someone did throwing away all context and came up with the worst possible thing they could do with that."

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by yifanl »

intrasight wrote: post #39
Retr0id wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate? There are a lot of proposed NFT usecases that sound superficially useful (e.g. magically preventing secondary sales of event tickets), but don't actually solve any real problems when you think about it properly.

The use case that I am most familiar with (just from reading about) was to allow artists to sell digital work derived real work, and have them benefit financially from any resale of that digital work. Not sure if there's a non-NFT way to accomplish the same.

That's not a property of the NFT so much as a property of the smart contract handling the sale, isn't it?

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

RATML wrote: post #26

Imagine doing all that work to just hinge your fate on the least open, least aligned platform to your app's and app protocol's declared raison d'être. Do these people really believe that the cypherpunk ethos involves being an Apple bootlicker? I don't get it.

Wasting all the money and more importantly time to try and prosper in the iOS ecosystem baffles me in this day and age.

That’s time you don’t get back, lost forever because some one you’ll never meet on a committee says no.

“It has to be an app” is old world thinking. No iOS app in the past 3 years or more has disrupted anything.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by dotnet00 »

zerohp wrote: post #43
cypress66 wrote: post #3

I can't believe the EU, which has fined Microsoft because of having IE as the default browser, is OK with Apple having a total walled garden in iOS. Which by the way only has one "browser", because other browsers are forced to use the safari engine.

Three companies have wall gardens for game consoles and nobody cares about that. Those three companies own the entire console market. There's no alternative. Why doesn't the EU do something about that? Why is Apple an exception?

"Walled gardens" when MS has a policy of porting all their games to Windows and also offers an official way for users to run custom software on the device.

Agreed on the other two though, both should also be forced to open up.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by evandale »

BizarreByte wrote: post #28
Varloom wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By May 2024 every iPhone in EU will be allowed to install alternative app stores legally. It's only a problem for the rest of the world.

[flagged]

What makes you think that will happen?

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by schlick »

josephcsible wrote: post #50
Pulcinella wrote: post #46

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I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap. Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

First they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out ... Then they came for me. And with email, the recipient can choose to override the spam filter. That's key, and is the reason that spam filters aren't censorship.

It's absolutely wild to me to see someone take a poem about the genocide of millions of people and apply it to an app being banned from a digital store over cryptocurrency tipping.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

colesantiago wrote: post #12

Can't they just remove or ban anything cryptocurrency and Bitcoin? That would be fantastic as it has no place on the App Store.

Considering the App Store is 99% adwall trash and subscription scam apps I’d say if you hate Bitcoin you’d have to admit it’s right at home with the rest of the content there.
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