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A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Non-native English speaker here. What does "serial" mean in this context? Is it referring to a linear record of achievements/prior employment?

Sequential/ordered. One after another.

Notably, relating to a series of events. Serial.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Are softbank actually the biggest idiots in VC? It almost seems like everything they invest in is a handshake deal built on "just trust me bro" numbers.

LOL I personally know an asshat VP at SoftBank — "just trust me bruh" ! In early 2017, while being ousted from another banking system, he advised me to invest in a Retail Mall Holdings company, instead of Bitcoin (because the latter is "idiotic"). I did NOT take his advice. See CBL's returns verse BTC's.

Wow, 0HQK has a very interesting chart. I wonder what happened in November 2021.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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I have brought this up in another comment, but my experience in the VC world is that it operates too heavily based on 4 types of "trust": 1) Institutional trust (Stanford, Harvard, MIT, "ex-FAANG", "ex-McKinsey", etc.), 2) Social trust (someone you know that has already established one of the three other kinds of trust), 3) Serial trust ("3-exits", "former CEO/CTO/VP of..."), and 4) Transitive trust ("Sequoia investe…

I've always had this background thought that it would be a fun job to do "due diligence" on behalf of VCs. I remember being on the receiving end of some of that work, and I wasn't all that impressed. Do today's VCs take technical due diligence seriously? If not, why not?

For the enterprise saas business we built, vc duedil was talking to customers, both directly via our introductions and backchanneled via their network.

For the technical aspects, our vcs didn't / don't care. That's our job to figure out, and if we don't, they fire founders.

I'm honestly not sure how you would seriously audit chat app numbers, and I suspect and hope Abraham Shafi is going to prison. For most businesses, if you have to seriously audit things like that, you probably shouldn't be investing. A company inflating their numbers by 20x will be pretty hard to detect, and our safeguard as an industry is that's fraud, and people go to prison for committing fraud.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Why is it always Softbank getting scammed?

Anybody who has seen a Masayoshi-son presentation and then gives SoftBank capital to invest deserves whatever loss they take.

https://www.businessinsider.com/13-slides-softbanks-vision-f...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/golden-geese-unicorns-inside-...

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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I have brought this up in another comment, but my experience in the VC world is that it operates too heavily based on 4 types of "trust": 1) Institutional trust (Stanford, Harvard, MIT, "ex-FAANG", "ex-McKinsey", etc.), 2) Social trust (someone you know that has already established one of the three other kinds of trust), 3) Serial trust ("3-exits", "former CEO/CTO/VP of..."), and 4) Transitive trust ("Sequoia investe…

I've always had this background thought that it would be a fun job to do "due diligence" on behalf of VCs. I remember being on the receiving end of some of that work, and I wasn't all that impressed. Do today's VCs take technical due diligence seriously? If not, why not?

Technical due dilligence isnt that important.

The first thing is that the product has to scale, be popular, then maybe make money. You can always hire people who will rewrite.

The opposite doesnt work. Technically brilliant product might be unpopular or unknown.

Please note: I dont say that things should be built poorly.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Are softbank actually the biggest idiots in VC? It almost seems like everything they invest in is a handshake deal built on "just trust me bro" numbers.

Having recently completed fundraising for a pre-seed, it's wild to me that I had VCs spending multiple weeks sometimes on "due diligence" for an idea-stage product, yet there are many examples of just yolo huge investments. It's who you know or what hype is around you in these cases I suppose.

Re: A messaging app startup that raised $200M shuts down afters users were 95% fake

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always had this background thought that it would be a fun job to do "due diligence" on behalf of VCs. I remember being on the receiving end of some of that work, and I wasn't all that impressed. Do today's VCs take technical due diligence seriously? If not, why not?

Technical due dilligence isnt that important. The first thing is that the product has to scale, be popular, then maybe make money. You can always hire people who will rewrite. The opposite doesnt work. Technically brilliant product might be unpopular or unknown. Please note: I dont say that things should be built poorly.

> Technical due dilligence isnt that important.

I suspect some Theranos and uBeam investors disagree with you

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