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Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If January 6th disorganized mob breaching into government building can be considered a coup, then organized military force taking control over 2 major cities in Russia is definitely a coup.

One of them attacked a governmental body of a country. The other one still has not. That is why it is in quotation marks.

No, they already announced that they are going after Putin

"Putin made the wrong choice, all the worse for him. Soon we will have a new president."

https://twitter.com/ChengWeiLai2/status/1672527502223511559#...

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#72
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What is the state of decentralized betting platforms where people can place crypto on their predictions? Shouldn't that give us the best possible predictions? Everybody with expertise or inside knowledge who sees the probabilities are off would rush in, place bets and "correct" the probabilities while making a profit.

Metaculus has regime change at 16% right now: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/10246/russian-coup-or-re...

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#73
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wagner Group [1] is a mercenary company, by the way, named after German composer Richard Wagner [1]. Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin [2] is reportedly the founder and owner. (Wagner is not a person. Or am I misreading: who does "himself" refer to?) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wagner [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Prigozhin

Yes, I’m being sloppy because I’m on my phone and can’t be bothered editing.

I think it reads fine, as in Kremlin did this and that and Wagner did this and that. Wagner just stands for the group.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

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Will current regime resort to use of nuclear weapons against Wagner formations as they approach Moscow? After all, the state and the power regime are facing an existential risk.

It might be strange to say, but Putin is not an absolute dictator. He could not order the use of nuclear weapons on a whim, and have that obeyed throughout the chain. The Russian system will be much more sophisticated than that. https://thebulletin.org/2022/03/read-the-fine-print-russias-...

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If January 6th disorganized mob breaching into government building can be considered a coup, then organized military force taking control over 2 major cities in Russia is definitely a coup.

I think Prighozin is as insane as the idiots who thought they could interfere with the count, and I have no idea if he's seriously considering taking out Putin. But let's be clear, the crowd breaking into the Capitol wasn't the entirety of the coup attempt, and even to write that part down as just a disorganised mob is incorrect. What was going on is better understood as an autogolpe -- a self-coup. It had several pr…

This always being left out by those decrying the classification as a coup attempt is a tacit admission of the whole scheme actually being a coup. Only by leaving it out they can make it seem like it was anything less.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#76

It was inevitable - this is what happens when you allow private armies as a business. Nearly a century ago, when the British government decided to take control of a private army the British empire ultimately collapsed because of the backlash from the corporates who ran it. Putin is right to act swiftly and harshly against this kind of behaviour before they become an actual threat to the nation - Mercenaries, unlike n…

The reason they had a private army was to do dirty stuff in Africa that would cause an international incident if the Russian military was involved directly. Without Wagner, it'd have been much harder for Russia to force project.

The core problem is the poorly managed war; Wagner'd be unlikely to rebel if the war was going well and everyone was satisfied with the Russian leadership.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#77

Does anyone have sources for this stuff? I am seeing a lot of conjecture and not a lot of substance. Is this whole thing based on a couple telegram videos? Is there anything to suggest they aren’t just propaganda deepfakes?

It definitely is real, that the head of Wagner, which acted as Putins man of brute shadow force - is now an enemy of Putin. This was coming since a while, since Prigoshin stepped over the line many times and he refused the ultimatum by the Russian Ministry of Defence, to put Wagner Forces tightly under MoD control. And now things are escalating. Everything else is filled with deepfakes, old footage and co But Wagner…

What makes you so sure?

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#78
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What is the state of decentralized betting platforms where people can place crypto on their predictions? Shouldn't that give us the best possible predictions? Everybody with expertise or inside knowledge who sees the probabilities are off would rush in, place bets and "correct" the probabilities while making a profit.

This sounds like a "length of the emperor's nose" situation.

Re: Russia 'Coup' Live Forecast

#79
My estimation: short term it will fail.

Long term it will lead to substantial power movement.

Most of the young nationalistic russians are Wagner fans and despise the ordinary military, they view as corrupt and incompetent (which might be very true).

But they have been the fuel of the war. If Wagner is no more, or just a soulless hulk, this fuel is gone and moral will drop significantly.

And the current options for Prigoshin are

a) become a marty

b) submit to "justice" and public trial (but he knows this will likely not happen, but rather bullet or poison)

c) defect to Ukraine

He already made clear statements, that the war was wrong from the beginning, there was never a threat from Ukraine and the evil military commanders gave Putin wrong information. This sounds to me like building a bridge.

In either case, for the russian empire it is a desaster. And if it becomes a true desaster, there are chances it will become a disaster for everyone, as russian think tanks openly discussed the possibility of "preemptive counter nuclear strike". If they are about to die, they are willing to take everyone with them.

Mostly this is surely bluffing, as they made that statement, while they the internal power struggle was already ongoing as a message to the west: "don't exploit our weakness, we still have nukes". But partly I think it is a legit threat of cornered bullies.

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