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An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by c-hendricks »

hibbelig wrote: post #60
c-hendricks wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you use it for? I use a non-Apple keyboard and just switched the options / command key in System Settings.

I use it to have hybrid modifier and regular keys: if I hold down caps lock like a modifier key and strike another key then it behaves like control. If I tap caps lock like I would a letter key then it behaves like escape. Return is another hybrid between itself and control (my keyboard does not have a right control key). Space is another hybrid with a whole lot of bindings when held down. With s it generates space s…

Okay that's a great suggestion. I didn't mention it but I do also change my caps lock to an extra escape key.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by kitsunesoba »

ayemel wrote: post #26
idle_zealot wrote: post #5

This is a mandatory install on macOS for me (one of many). The suite of extra software utilities required to make the base OS usable is ridiculous, but I'm glad to see open source maintainers working to keep my mouse working.

On the flip side, this is exactly how I feel with Windows in order to get the base OS usable.

Linux too. None of the DEs are all that close to what I'm looking for, and of course building my own desktop from scratch with a window manager, bars, takes as much work as adjusting a DE and then a bunch more.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by kitsunesoba »

Unpopular opinion perhaps, but as someone who's bouncing between all three big desktop platforms pretty regularly, cursor acceleration is a total non-issue. I adjust to the difference so quickly that I don't even notice a difference.

I'm glad that Sonoma is adding the checkbox to turn it off for those who need it but it's never been a bother for me.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by joshspankit »

arghwhat wrote: post #64
Toutouxc wrote: post #61

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> natural scrolling is just an awful idea for mouse IMO there’s no objective reason why. Natural scrolling is not what a lot of people are used to with a mouse, but it’s perfectly usable and even more consistent if you’re using the Magic Mouse, which uses a touch surface instead of a mechanical wheel. I, for example, always make my Windows and Linux machine use natural scrolling like I’m used to from my Mac and my li…

Unlike for touch devices, it is no better or worse - but as scroll wheel operation already is incredibly well established, most already have an intuitive assumption of behavior and switching forcing the user to switch only annoys them. It is even part of our language: you "scroll down".

As an “ambidextrous” scroller, it’s just a matter what you’re scrolling: Are you scrolling the scrollbar down, or the content of the window?

I think regardless of the direction you move your fingers, “scroll down” means the same thing: “scroll to a lower part”

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by nicwolff »

ahstilde wrote: post #9
idle_zealot wrote: post #5

This is a mandatory install on macOS for me (one of many). The suite of extra software utilities required to make the base OS usable is ridiculous, but I'm glad to see open source maintainers working to keep my mouse working.

what are your other mandatory installs?

Zooom/2 even though it's abandonware.

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by horsawlarway »

furyofantares wrote: post #69
thesuitonym wrote: post #40

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Not the OP, but for one thing, natural scrolling is just an awful idea for mouse users, it was designed for touch screens, and translates pretty well to trackpads (Although it broke with over a decade of user experience), but it's completely unnatural on a mouse. Unfortunately, if you're a user who switches between a mouse and the trackpad, Mac OS only let's you pick one.

> natural scrolling is just an awful idea for mouse users I'm the opposite - I was surprised by how much of an improvement I found natural scrolling after decades of computer use. I now use an autohotkey script when on windows to get the same behavior as I get on macOS. I can certainly see the switching cost not being worth it and wanting a setting that applies to the mouse and not the touchpad, but I'm failing to se…

> I now use an autohotkey script when on windows to get the same behavior as I get on macOS.

Is there something specific here that's not just toggling the scroll direction to the right value in window's settings menu? It's had it for years at this point.

> I can certainly see the switching cost not being worth it and wanting a setting that applies to the mouse and not the touchpad, but I'm failing to see how it's anything other than a switching cost.

For me at least, you're fighting against decades of habitual usage. I have a mental model for how I expect my controls to work. I could switch - but I see zero value in doing so (what's the upside?) and a whole lot of wasted effort.

It's like a controller - Inverted exists. I understand that some folks like it. There are rare cases (usually when controlling an aircraft) in games when I might choose to use it. But by far and large... I just do not want an inverted controller. It's making me think harder for zero net benefit (and much worse in game results...).

Re: An open-source mouse and trackpad utility for Mac

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Post by siriusfeynman »

c-hendricks wrote: post #17
ajdude wrote: post #10

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Not the parent, but one of the first things I usually install on new Mac is Karabiner-Elements. Absolutely needed if you're using a non-mac keyboard.

What do you use it for? I use a non-Apple keyboard and just switched the options / command key in System Settings.

for some reason apple think that the backslash and backtick keys are the opposite of what they actually are on british pc keyboards
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