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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by chiph »

vanattab wrote: post #56
losvedir wrote: post #21

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While the physical trauma would have been instantaneous, they might have known it was going to happen. James Cameron just said in an interview[0] that they had a sensor system inside which detects when the hull is starting to fail, and that they probably had warning because they had dropped their weights to ascend. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg

How do we know the weights where dropped before the immplosion

Once they locate the wreckage, if the weights aren't nearby that's a strong sign they were detached before the implosion. They would have fallen to a different location on the seafloor than the hull because they're denser and have a smaller cross-section, thus not affected as much by the hydrodynamics during the fall.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by chiph »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #63
dekhn wrote: post #27

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One might say that subs are the only truly strategic component of nuclear arms.

> subs are the only truly strategic component of nuclear arms I used to think this. But land-based missiles are essential for MAD, as a nuclear sponge and by being cheap. They also protect against a technological horizon over which subs are unmasked. (There is a great scene in The Expanse which contemplates such a horizon.) What I can’t get my head around are nuclear bombers, which largely seem to be for posturing [1…

Unlike the other parts of the nuclear triad, bombers can be recalled at any point before they start dropping weapons (there is no destruct code for ICBMs or SLBMs). So they give a President more flexibility.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by listenallyall »

Maybe this is off-topic, but in the midst of so much controversy about "top-secret documents" -- is it actually legal to leak out that such a "top secret military acoustic detection system" even exists, and if so, the results of the system's use? I mean, how is it "top secret" if it's in the newspaper?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ALittleLight »

tw04 wrote: post #38
ALittleLight wrote: post #28

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Because they wanted to at least give a few days to find conclusive proof (wreckage) so they could inform the family's before all of us?

"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..."

This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

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Post by somerandomqaguy »

m_0x wrote: post #5

Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N17tEW_WEU&t=166s This is what a controlled vacuum implosion of a liquid tank looks like at 1 atmosphere of pressure, including cameras showing the inside of the tank.

The depth of the Titanic wreck is 3800m; down there the vessel would be subjected to 380 times that pressure. So...probably.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by tzs »

bnt wrote: post #11
kneebonian wrote: post #10

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For starters the USCG != USN. They are 2 completely seperate branches of the military, even if the Navy likes to pretend the USCG doesn't exist and the USCG likes to pretend it's just as important as the Navy. With that being the case it could be operational inertia. Sonar tech hears something weird, reports it to his boss. His boss puts in a morning update the next day, he sees about the sub on the news, but he can'…

Would be easier if they had shared Slack channels

What is communication like between different branches of the US military nowadays?

I remember reading a series of newspapers articles about the Somalia battle that was later the subject of the "Black Hawk Down" movie. I haven't seen the movie so don't know if it covered the communication issue I'm about to mention.

The army had a convoy on the ground trying to reach the crashed Black Hawk helicopter. The navy had a surveillance plane watching. The plane would see that the convoy was heading toward and ambush but they could not talk directly to the convoy (I don't remember if it was because they didn't have radios with the frequency the convoy was on or if there was a rule against it) so had to relay the warning and recommended alternate routes back to their own base.

There that would go up through the chain of command until reaching someone who was able to talk to a counterpart in the army, then down the chain of command in the army and finally to the convoy. By then the alternate routes the plane had found were no longer applicable, and the convoy might have even already reached the ambush.

When they got past that it would just happen again farther along with another ambush.

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Post by ALittleLight »

afavour wrote: post #49
ALittleLight wrote: post #28

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I’d flip it: what’s the point in informing the public about something you’re not definitive about? Particularly when lives are at stake.

They heard the implosion at the same time they lost contact with the sub. Why not say that? There is neither added nor diminished risk to life by revealing or concealing that.

As for what the point of informing the public is - the government serves the public and the public was interested. Without a compelling reason to keep information secret the government should share.

As

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Post by satisfice »

ALittleLight wrote: post #74
tw04 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they wanted to at least give a few days to find conclusive proof (wreckage) so they could inform the family's before all of us?

"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..." This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

They certainly told the family about the implosion noise, because I heard one of the expert commentators remark on how he knew about it prior to the news about the knocking noises. If he knew, the family knew.

I think they were just holding out hope that it wasn’t an implosion noise.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ALittleLight »

satisfice wrote: post #78
ALittleLight wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..." This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

They certainly told the family about the implosion noise, because I heard one of the expert commentators remark on how he knew about it prior to the news about the knocking noises. If he knew, the family knew. I think they were just holding out hope that it wasn’t an implosion noise.

It's fine to hold out hope, but there's no point to concealing evidence. Why not report what's actually happening to the best of your knowledge?
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