San Francisco fire chief fed up with robotaxis that mess with her firetrucks

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 4:39 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #49

tmpz22 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were experiencing a severe emergency and received delayed care as a result of a self-driving car misbehaving - would you feel the same way? As you lay there bleeding out would you think "I have contributed to human progress - this is good" I believe there are ways to advance self-driving without these problems. Why can't they have a 1800 number staffed 24/7 for fire departments to contact?

Internally your logic is flawless but I don't see how you can ignore the current delays caused by human driver traffic, not to mention the ambulance traffic created by human driver errors.

Post by soco » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #25

yardie wrote: post #2

It appears these robotaxis need an emergency button similar to the ones on industrial robots. But instead of completely stopping, a remote operator immediately takes over and bugs out. Meanwhile, the AI can take a backseat and observe how to respond in a situation like this. Because obviously they don't have enough training when dealing with emergency situations.

The closest I've come to this scenario is playing games (eg CSGO) where you can take over a bot. So often, I take over a bot (without spectating their play first) and immediately die because I have no context for their situation and they're about to be shot at; in many of those situations I feel there bot would have done better than I did. This makes me feel a human operator probably would be no good at taking contro…

Post by scruple » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

whartung wrote: post #58

rurp wrote: post #20

The specific examples listed out in the article are egregious, causing real harm. The fire chief is right to be angry, if anything her response is too measured. From the article: - Running through yellow emergency tape and ignoring warning signs to enter a street strewn with storm-damaged electrical wires, then driving past emergency vehicles with some of those wires snarled around rooftop lidar sensors. - Twice bloc…

There's that scene from a TV show where the fire fighters are at a fire, and a car is in front of the fire hydrant. One of the characters calls out "Car!" and they then proceed to smash the windows, and route the fire hose through the car and connect it to the fire hydrant. Throughout the course of the incident, the hydrant leaks and fills the cars interior with water. If only there was, perhaps, a similar effective,…

Post by scruple » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 4:44 PM UTC

jeffbee wrote: post #74

c00lio wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, then the US is a very strange place. I'm European, so forgive my ignorance in those matters, I thought things worked similarly over there.

LOL no. Personally I look upon the Swiss "via sicura" regime wistfully. I want people who speed through central cities to go to jail and have their cars crushed.

Post by masklinn » Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 4:46 PM UTC

whartung wrote: post #58

rurp wrote: post #20

The specific examples listed out in the article are egregious, causing real harm. The fire chief is right to be angry, if anything her response is too measured. From the article: - Running through yellow emergency tape and ignoring warning signs to enter a street strewn with storm-damaged electrical wires, then driving past emergency vehicles with some of those wires snarled around rooftop lidar sensors. - Twice bloc…

There's that scene from a TV show where the fire fighters are at a fire, and a car is in front of the fire hydrant. One of the characters calls out "Car!" and they then proceed to smash the windows, and route the fire hose through the car and connect it to the fire hydrant. Throughout the course of the incident, the hydrant leaks and fills the cars interior with water. If only there was, perhaps, a similar effective,…