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Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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I'm interested to hear why you believe a third-party app developer and multiple groups of moderators have all decided to somehow coordinate a scam against Reddit, and also why you believe Reddit is in the right here? Why is that easier to believe/agree with than the majority opinion expressed on HN?

3p app dev and mods spread narrative which doesn't stand trivial fact checking, and majority believes in what they want to believe without digging into details.

> you believe Reddit is in the right here

I didn't say anything like that. Reddit is private for profit company, owns platform and content and acts to maximize long term profit.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested to hear why you believe a third-party app developer and multiple groups of moderators have all decided to somehow coordinate a scam against Reddit, and also why you believe Reddit is in the right here? Why is that easier to believe/agree with than the majority opinion expressed on HN?

3p app dev and mods spread narrative which doesn't stand trivial fact checking, and majority believes in what they want to believe without digging into details. > you believe Reddit is in the right here I didn't say anything like that. Reddit is private for profit company, owns platform and content and acts to maximize long term profit.

Currently they are acting in maximizing alienation of their users and maximizing the chance a viable competitor platform emerges.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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Couldn’t Reddit just fix this by providing good mod tools before they make the api switch?

They could have.

But by now they have probably irrecoverably destroyed their relationship to the existing community. Maybe they can build a new community.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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No, no . If you purport to know what redditors supposedly want, you can read the OP and simply go to the listed subreddits and see the top posts for the votes/announcements . edit: I mean let's be real, you've been panning for reddit for two weeks. You're concern trolling asking for links.

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I guess. I'm allowed to disagree. But I do think that asking for "links" for user feedback when hundreds of subs are rebelling is indeed concern trolling.

But no, there was no formal poll that took into account response bias and made use of proper stratification and randomization to ensure a fair survey. Some bigger subs did ask "what do we do" and some subs went with the idea of the most upvoted comment, a common tactic in reddit.

This was r/pics's "poll": https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/14b2a6q/poll_decide_o...

It is not scientific, so you can easily dismiss it. But I think that is the wrong angle to look at something that is ultimately trying to say "yes, a lot of people who decided to vote/comment do want this to happen". You can use the casual browser as points for or against them, because they are simply in for the ride if they don't speak up.

>Reddit is private for profit company, owns platform and content and acts to maximize long term profit.

yes, and I as a (former) user do not care about coporate's goals. I wanted an easy, feature filled UX and have asked for features for almost a decade. Almost none of them came about, so I used extensions and alternative apps that provided them

Reddit's reaction was to

- take away features provided by extensions to fit into a subscription model. No, I do not think it is worth $5/month to be able to see new comments highlighted. I simply found a new extension when RES removed the features

- only add in a few features when literally all hell broke loose (remember why we can filter subreddits on r/all now? What does that teach me? that I need to break the rules and inconvinence users if I want change? Good lesson, actually.)

- ignore 90% of other asked for features. Some of which could have helped right now if they did so (Oh, I wonder why NSFW can't diffentiate between violence, gore, sexual content, and foul language?).

- And now they repeat this tactic by removing more alternatives while refusing to implement user centric features.

No one asked for a video player and it sucks anyway. No one wanted the ignore feature to be removed while the block feature to actively disrupt conversation on the whim of an arbiturary individual. No one at all wanted NFTs for a profile pic (old reddit doesn't even have proile pics).

It's rent-seeking, and I do not respect the tactic. Even if I never used 3p apps I'd be against reddit because historically they have never attempted to act in my interest. I am not respected so why should I care about how they make money?

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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Couldn’t Reddit just fix this by providing good mod tools before they make the api switch?

That means working on features that don't have short terms profitability. Can't have that, Huffman has an IPO to cash out on.

But yes. This isn't just some freak accident explosion from mods. This has been bubbling up for at least 7 years and is partially a result of Reddit refusing to help their free labor continue to give free labor.

Which is sad because it WORKED. Mods just made their own tools or used the tools of other. But now Reddit is taking those tools away instead of promising better native support.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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they have every right to do so and it's well needed. Few teenager thinking they are playing games just by being a mod of a commercial platform. bunch of kids.

yes, replace your teenager mods with... more teenager mods for a future meltdown. Great strategy.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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This is good to see, a lot of moderators are power hungry, egotistical jerks. I am glad these subreddits have been returned back to the community, perhaps the Reddit staff can moderate for now.

>perhaps the Reddit staff can moderate for now.

I hope so. Put their money where their mouth is if they want the rules they refuse to put in the TOS.

But from your POV, we both know that won't happen. They just recruite more power hungry, egotistical jerks because it's cheap. And you'll continue to hate them.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I guess. I'm allowed to disagree. But I do think that asking for "links" for user feedback when hundreds of subs are rebelling is indeed concern trolling. But no, there was no formal poll that took into account response bias and made use of proper stratification and randomization to ensure a fair survey. Some bigger subs did ask "what do we do" and some subs went with the idea of the most upvoted comment, a common ta…

> This was r/pics's "poll"

thank you for constructively providing link, though pics is not in the list of subs in the post

> I as a (former) user do not care about coporate's goals. I wanted an easy

future will tell if you are part of large group of users or outlier.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3p app dev and mods spread narrative which doesn't stand trivial fact checking, and majority believes in what they want to believe without digging into details. > you believe Reddit is in the right here I didn't say anything like that. Reddit is private for profit company, owns platform and content and acts to maximize long term profit.

Currently they are acting in maximizing alienation of their users and maximizing the chance a viable competitor platform emerges.

they lost PR battle, everything else you said is up to discussion.

Re: Tell HN: Reddit Removes Multiple Moderator Teams of Large Subreddits

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I guess. I'm allowed to disagree. But I do think that asking for "links" for user feedback when hundreds of subs are rebelling is indeed concern trolling. But no, there was no formal poll that took into account response bias and made use of proper stratification and randomization to ensure a fair survey. Some bigger subs did ask "what do we do" and some subs went with the idea of the most upvoted comment, a common ta…

> This was r/pics's "poll" thank you for constructively providing link, though pics is not in the list of subs in the post > I as a (former) user do not care about coporate's goals. I wanted an easy future will tell if you are part of large group of users or outlier.

>pics is not in the list of subs in the post

pics isn't NSFW. just maliciously compliant. I do wonder how/if Reddit will do anything with it, though.

>future will tell if you are part of large group of users or outlier.

I've been an outlier nearly my entire life. I left reddit 3 years ago now. I don't expect my graceful leave to do anything in the grand scheme of things.

I am simply looking out for my own interests and communicating my thought process, sample of 1. Maybe a few others agree. most very likely don't care and would dismiss me with "go touch grass".

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