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Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by distcs »

Sakos wrote: post #69
distcs wrote: post #65

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> Based on your reply, it's clear that lemmy will never be anything other than an afterthought. What is your personal gripe against Lemmy? Lemmy is a FOSS project developed by volunteers. The instances are run by volunteers for fun. It may become something or may not become anything. But the people developing and maintaining Lemmy will have fun regardless, I'm sure. And all that hard work and fun is offered as a gift…

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I don't think anyone else cares about what you care about either. Get over yourself! People develop projects. They have fun. Users find the tools that work for them. Nobody really appointed you as the person to worry about what options users have. Users are doing fine looking for options that work for them. They will try out Lemmy. Lemmy may improve or it might not and users may find something else. That's the way the FOSS world works.

Like I am not going to join Lemmy because I don't like the UI/UX issues of Lemmy and I also don't like how communities are dependent on specific instances. If the instance goes down or rogue, the community is affected. But that doesn't mean I am going to disparage their efforts which they are putting in to serve their own needs. If I was so motivated to improve the condition of their UI/UX, I will send pull requests, not talk about it. Talk is cheap!

This is a volunteer-driven FOSS project for christ's sake! Nobody is pretending anything about that!

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by alejoar »

distcs wrote: post #60
ticoombs wrote: post #34

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It's probably a problem with your auto generated password. Passwords can't be longer than 20char. It's a bug. Also don't enter an email when trying to join initially, if you can. The UI waits for the email to send before returning. Another known bug. Self plug: come join on https://reddthat.com . We currently don't have email requirements, or any "forms" to fill out before you join. :)

> It's probably a problem with your auto generated password. I am not using auto-generated passwords. Like I said the browser is not sending any request at all to the server.

I have this problem too.

I noticed there's a web socket connection and when you submit the info goes there (not a separate request). Then the client gets something about a captcha and the spinner spins forever.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by FranzFerdiNaN »

phpisthebest wrote: post #50
8organicbits wrote: post #20

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I'm on Beehaw, and I like the way the defederation was handled. Here's the latest from them: https://beehaw.org/post/594843 You can see some positive comments from users about the change and a transparent road map for re-federating. To put it another way, would you want to join an instance that isn't trying (or is failing to) contain harassment and other forms of bad actors? That's the challenge the de-fed is address…

Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

Every instance is filled with "political ideology". Its just that the instances you prefer do not specify it as explicitely. But saying ''we dont censor hate speech'' is just as much politics as ''we censor hate speech''.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by VikingCoder »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #2

What instances are people here using? I recently decided to give Lemmy a try. From what I had been seeing I was planning to sign up to BeeHaw, only to find that they had defederated two of the largest instances due to their lax sign-up policies. I can understand their reasoning and it looks like it was relatively well handled, but it still makes that instance impractical. I ended up going to VLemmy as it was one of t…

If the Lemmy fediverse is so fragmented...

Then shouldn't people like us run our own instances, which then just act like an aggregator and wrapper around our single user account?

Or am I federating TOO MUCH in a way that's hard to explain to new people?

Because in my head... Each subreddit/community maps almost perfectly to 1 instance, and each technically savvy user also maps almost perfectly to 1 instance. That feels right to me...

So why would that be stupid?

Genuinely curious and open to being corrected.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by brainbag »

The_Colonel wrote: post #46
brainbag wrote: post #32

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How do we explain what instance to join for people if they followed technology, music, and art? I have tried explaining this to friends, and there's new and unique vocabulary. I end up having to explain a bunch of other stuff too and their eyes glaze over. Is there an ELI5 or guided setup for people who don't want to deep dive into federation but want to talk about art, music, and tech (and memes)?

It's not that difficult. Lemmy is like email. You need an instance to host your account like gmail, outlook or gmx, but you can still send/receive emails with everybody else.

I appreciate the reply, but I think that's a bit oversimplified. Gmail, outlook, etc. doesn't have "topics" and the instance you join does matter to some degree, which is not the case for email.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by phpisthebest »

FranzFerdiNaN wrote: post #73
phpisthebest wrote: post #50

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Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

Every instance is filled with "political ideology". Its just that the instances you prefer do not specify it as explicitely. But saying ''we dont censor hate speech'' is just as much politics as ''we censor hate speech''.

IF they only said "We censor hate speech" then I probably would not have a huge issue, their ideological purity tests go well beyond that

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by 8organicbits »

ink_13 wrote: post #44
8organicbits wrote: post #23

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> having to create legends of features they support If you search for a new email provider, you'll see the same legends. Email adoption is not doomed.

Small email providers are doomed, though. If they don't have an address from their ISP, just about everybody just gets a GMail account, or ProtonMail if they're more privacy focused. I'd like to host my own mail but it's not worth it anymore thanks to spammers.

Are they? I'm seeing self-hosted Postfix as the most common mail server in scans. For free, personal email hosting I agree but that's just a fraction of the market.

https://lightmeter.io/global-email-map-2021/

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by phpisthebest »

enragedcacti wrote: post #63
phpisthebest wrote: post #50

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Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

It isn't trying to be a platform, its trying to be a community in the same sense that a church or a softball league is a community. That takes handling things differently and they can afford doing that because its a federated network where someone who doesn't want to be OPPRESSED can just go to a different instance. > Our goal is to create a platform in which nice people will want to stick around so that the experien…

>>It isn't trying to be a platform

They state they are a platform 16 times on the link I provided including directly saying ". Beehaw is a social media platform. "

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by unshavedyak »

Sakos wrote: post #67
unshavedyak wrote: post #57

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Lemmy is what it is. Why is it on Lemmy to be what millions of Redditors want as an alternate to Reddit? Your reply seems so hostile when all Lemmy did is exist. This isn't a VC startup. This isn't even funded i believe. Why the hostility?

1) People have been gathering around the idea of moving to lemmy (see the Star Trek subreddit for example), resulting in a number of posts over the past week here about it 2) My general frustration with FOSS projects having zero interest in good UX/UI design, resulting in a lack of prioritization for basic stuff like this Like, if Lemmy has no interest in being a viable option to most people, then fine. People just n…

> Like, if Lemmy has no interest in being a viable option to most people, then fine. People just need to stop pretending that it is.

Sure, but i think viable is in the eye of the beholder. In this case it's bleeding edge software not even 1.0 yet, with a massive influx of sudden, demanding users, and no dedicated employees or income (i think). I'd counter that people need to set their expectations accordingly.

For those people unable to deal with reality on this subject Reddit still exists. Stay on it if you want VC polish and the funding that requires. No one is out here making purposefully bad software.

Your frustrations seem better spent on individuals arguing everyone move to Lemmy than it is Lemmy (devs) directly. Stay on Reddit, it sounds like you prefer the VC experience. There's nothing wrong with that.

The FOSS devs are just doing the best they can with the time and resources they have.

Re: Comparison of different Lemmy Instances

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Post by 8organicbits »

Firmwarrior wrote: post #66
phpisthebest wrote: post #50

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Seems like beehaw is a very pro-censorship platform, and everything that social media should not be, so it will be a hard pass for me. Social media is a big enough echo chamber Edit: Now having read their "What is Beehaw" Post [1], I can clearly see I was correct and would NEVER want to be a part of that oppressive community, That post is fill with political ideology, plainly false statements, and mental contractions…

Me: Surely it couldn't be that bad Beehaw: On this platform I attempted to address this emerging problem of rationalism

The term "rationalism" is defined earlier in the linked comment. I don't believe it's being used with the typical definition. This quote needs context.
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