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Goodbye, Twilio

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Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by thomasfromcdnjs »

personperson wrote: post #35

I feel like this isn’t the “betrayal” that it’s made out to be. Twilio won at their niche. People often talk about “if we just get 1% of the market…” — is there a modern engineer on earth who hasn’t used Twilio’s API at least once? They’re moving towards doing the same thing with other parts of tech companies, in this case it’s marketing. It’s not like their APIs change because of it, these are additional products th…

Agreed.

The author is upset for XYZ "other" reasons, I would have recommended they slept on it and not post that publicly.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by ITB »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #60
jeffiel wrote: post #36

Thank you Miguel for all of your contributions to Twilio over the past four years, and I hope your next gig is just as rewarding! For all those interested in why we acquired Segment, and are focused on the integration of data and communications -- several years ago, we came to the conclusion that the world doesn't need more communications, it needs better communications. More relevant. More effective. As a developer,…

Question: What does Twilio do with the profit it does make off those bad actors once it discovers they are bad actors? Probably my top issue with companies like Google which make a ton of money off of crime is... they keep the money from the crime! That's a perverse incentive to at least do a poor job preventing it. I remember visiting the Twilio offices when it was still tiny during a Google Glass related thing. I s…

You have the CEO of a public company come out to play and address a public post, which is pretty cool! Your attacking style of questioning just makes people like Jeff less likely to engage with the community. You could frame the same question in a more constructive style.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by kalkin »

kyrra wrote: post #70
seanp2k2 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good. The fact that the FCC refuses to act (and GOP in Congress blockades things like chair nominations (read up on what happened to Gigi Sohn) to ensure inaction) against telcos just allowing spammers to ruin our national communications infrastructure because the pennies they get from them are worth more than all their consumers is an embarrassment to our country.

For Gigi Sohn: https://www.wsj.com/articles/watch-out-gigi-sohn-is-back-sen... > She’s shown unapologetic animus to conservative views, calling Fox News “dangerous to our democracy,” accusing Republicans of suppressing the vote, and describing Justice Brett Kavanaugh as an “angry white man.” She’s also supported progressive attacks on law enforcement, which prompted the Fraternal Order of Police to oppose her nominat…

The sometime political media convention that an action can't be described as a GOP responsibility if the 50 Republican senators are joined in it by 3 Democrats is purely obfuscatory if one is trying to actually understand what sides are involved in a political debate and what's entailed by empowering one party or another. Let's not adopt it here.

(Also, while maybe there's something to the Locast stuff-no idea-I'm not sure what a Democratic nominee is supposed to think about Fox News or Kavanaugh's temperament.)

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by matanyal »

jeffiel wrote: post #36

Thank you Miguel for all of your contributions to Twilio over the past four years, and I hope your next gig is just as rewarding! For all those interested in why we acquired Segment, and are focused on the integration of data and communications -- several years ago, we came to the conclusion that the world doesn't need more communications, it needs better communications. More relevant. More effective. As a developer,…

Hey Jeff,

Good to see that y'all are still pushing in the right direction! I left between the layoffs to pursue some innovation in the semiconductor space, but I look back fondly on my time at Twilio (Sendgrid)!

Building APIs into businesses is no easy task, but I'm glad that there are those still fighting the good fight, even if the field changes. Best of luck to the Twilio of the future!

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by freedomben »

joeythedolphin wrote: post #58

The developer only exists to serve the product and customer. I do not know why the developer should be the center of any company, none the less why they should be on a billboard. Buyers don't care, they want a great product. Great products are built by companies that love their developers. They don't need to tell that on billboards, they need to tell that privately to each engineer they employ. It is not appropriate…

> The developer only exists to serve the product and customer. I do not know why the developer should be the center of any company, none the less why they should be on a billboard. Buyers don't care, they want a great product.

I think the point is that developers are (or were) the customers. Twilio got adopted because they targeted and excited developers. Now they don't care about targeting the developers, they're targeting executives and marketing professionals.

I did not down vote you, and I don't think you deserve the down votes.

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by mkl95 »

Twilio are still doing better than their competition. To name an example, MessageBird laid off 30% of their workforce in late 2022 vs Twilio's 17% in early 2023, and they are known to be an absolute clusterfuck, which is not something you hear about Twilio (yet).

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by cyberax »

29athrowaway wrote: post #7

It seems the MBAs are at it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4 Twilio is now another Xerox. MBA programs should be illegal. You can thank MBAs for spreading PFAS everywhere, single use plastic, profiteering from insulin, making every American a diabetic by adding sugar into everything, selling glyphosate for residential use, killing all the pollinators, moving all manufacturing to countries with no en…

> selling glyphosate for residential use

What's wrong with glyphosate?

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by fassssst »

toni_bk wrote: post #13

Why can’t a company just be happy making several billion dollars a year in profits? Always about growth, growth, growth!

You could ask the same of yourself, presumably you have a retirement account invested in things that grow…

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by jagtstronaut »

cjcampbell wrote: post #69
cvalka wrote: post #31

What's a good twilio alternative? Voximplant, plivio, bandwith are not very good.

Would you be willing to share more about your experience with these companies? I have a client evaluating Twilio alternatives due to skyrocketing costs, and some of these companies are on the list.

I work at bandwidth and would also love to know what you don’t like with messaging at least.
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