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Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by Dennip »

Mertax wrote: post #11
zengid wrote: post #4

Tangent but I'm holding out from learning Swift until I see how the "Cross platform UI" wars shake out. We've got at least Kotlin, Dart, and JavaScript all battling it out (via Kotlin Multiplatform, Flutter, React Native) to be the king of UI languages across all platforms. I really like Swift though (from the little I've learned), so it's too bad it doesn't really have a cross platform UI story yet. (I could learn a…

Why not include C#/MAUI on this list to make it 5?

From my experience with Xamarin i dont have high hopes. Every time i needed to some do something slightly interesting I had to write wrappers for both the iOS and Android API's to get anywhere.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by dwaite »

037 wrote: post #38
zengid wrote: post #4

Tangent but I'm holding out from learning Swift until I see how the "Cross platform UI" wars shake out. We've got at least Kotlin, Dart, and JavaScript all battling it out (via Kotlin Multiplatform, Flutter, React Native) to be the king of UI languages across all platforms. I really like Swift though (from the little I've learned), so it's too bad it doesn't really have a cross platform UI story yet. (I could learn a…

While we were waiting for the perfect cross-platform solution, we underestimated the web standards that we've always had in front of us, and are slowly becoming the perfect, powerful common denominator.

sort of. From a user perspective, the app security model is brokered (by a store) while the web security model is a direct ad-hoc relationship to whoever [you _think_] owns the domain you are on. Apps tend to need reviews for republication, while a website could change owners (through acquisition, domain expiry or other exploit) at any given time.

Modern systems sandbox both application access for security exploit reasons as well as user privacy reasons. The web lets apps talk to one another arbitrarily, embed one another in frames, and so on.

Because of this, hardware access will always be significantly more constrained than store-reviewed apps.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by zengid »

Mertax wrote: post #11
zengid wrote: post #4

Tangent but I'm holding out from learning Swift until I see how the "Cross platform UI" wars shake out. We've got at least Kotlin, Dart, and JavaScript all battling it out (via Kotlin Multiplatform, Flutter, React Native) to be the king of UI languages across all platforms. I really like Swift though (from the little I've learned), so it's too bad it doesn't really have a cross platform UI story yet. (I could learn a…

Why not include C#/MAUI on this list to make it 5?

I'm a C# dev but I don't really have faith in Microsoft sticking with any UI library longer than 5 years. They even seem to have embraced React Native to make their own products. I'd go with Avalonia if I picked a C# UI, but I prefer Typescript and JSX over C# and XAML.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by nwienert »

marcellus23 wrote: post #63
nwienert wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people saying it doesn’t exist or work, but as the creator of Tamagui, I have to vouch for it. I think it works pretty amazingly, and we have some really beautiful apps in every App Store (plus web).

Do you have a link to an example iOS app built in Tamagui to check out?

The beta https://beta.aidungeon.com is pretty nice, not sure if the app is public yet or still on TestFlight.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by egberts1 »

zengid wrote: post #4

Tangent but I'm holding out from learning Swift until I see how the "Cross platform UI" wars shake out. We've got at least Kotlin, Dart, and JavaScript all battling it out (via Kotlin Multiplatform, Flutter, React Native) to be the king of UI languages across all platforms. I really like Swift though (from the little I've learned), so it's too bad it doesn't really have a cross platform UI story yet. (I could learn a…

Let us not ignore Electron GUi kit.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by nwienert »

rudedogg wrote: post #69
nwienert wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people saying it doesn’t exist or work, but as the creator of Tamagui, I have to vouch for it. I think it works pretty amazingly, and we have some really beautiful apps in every App Store (plus web).

Sorry but what you say just isn't possible. Especially with a browser-based cross-platform solution, you're gonna pay on the performance and native integration front. What you built looks nice and I'm sure it works well for many classes of apps though.

React Native renders to native views on iOS, Android, Windows and Mac!

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by waboremo »

nwienert wrote: post #57
snyp wrote: post #50

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I’ve been writing mobile apps since 2013. Cross Platform UI is a myth. Just use a framework and language you are familiar or comfortable with. I prefer native so I just stick to that. You are sure to be most productive in languages you are familiar with rather than any new/old cross platform UI framework. Just be cognizant of the fact that all of them have trade offs.

A lot of people saying it doesn’t exist or work, but as the creator of Tamagui, I have to vouch for it. I think it works pretty amazingly, and we have some really beautiful apps in every App Store (plus web).

It certainly exists/works, but is it productive? With my time using Tamagui I would go with no.

There are just so many traps everywhere. 99% of it isn't your fault, just the name of the fragile RN game. Install another package here to handle one use case on one platform, avoid this component on one platform because RN doesn't support this thing, entire blocks of very simple styles commented out due to performance cost. List goes on. It's a never-ending game of your codebase feeling horribly fragile, and that's if you remain within the RN = Android and iOS realm. As soon as you start trying to get it to be truly cross platform with desktop apps - endless nightmares.

I so desperately want cross-platform development to feel as smooth as people proclaim, but it's really like playing russian roulette with every new component added. At the end, you question if it was really worth it due to how much you've had to rewrite anyways. You become sort of delirious after working on a project that uses such solutions, wondering if you traded user experience for developer experience and wound up messing both up in the long run.

Beautiful site/docs though.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by zengid »

nicoburns wrote: post #52
zengid wrote: post #4

Tangent but I'm holding out from learning Swift until I see how the "Cross platform UI" wars shake out. We've got at least Kotlin, Dart, and JavaScript all battling it out (via Kotlin Multiplatform, Flutter, React Native) to be the king of UI languages across all platforms. I really like Swift though (from the little I've learned), so it's too bad it doesn't really have a cross platform UI story yet. (I could learn a…

Add Rust to your list. The Rust UI ecosystem is still very immature, but it has a tendency to implement things very well once they are implemented and the potential is huge.

Speaking of Rust UI, do you have any favorites? I've been casually watching for a long time but haven't seen a clear winner there besides Iced or egui.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by brailsafe »

pshirshov wrote: post #3

> 100 Days of Swift: Final Exam > Question 1/100: Which of these statements are true? > Hint: Click to show. > Option 1: The @unknown default case is there to catch cases that get added to an enum after we wrote our code. > Option 2: UIDevice.current refers to the model number of the most recent iPhone this is not about "hacking" nor learning programming or engineering. Seemingly that's about monkey coding.

How myopic. Pull out one question from the exam and use it to try and dismiss the product of a relatively well-respected content producer.

Hacking with swift is one of maybe 4 really solid sources of material on swift and swiftui, many people have been helped tremendously by his work.

Re: 100 Days of SwiftUI

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Post by marcellus23 »

solarmist wrote: post #68
marcellus23 wrote: post #64

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note that Swift != SwiftUI, and there are "100 days" courses for both of them.

The URL is correct for SwiftUI.

Yeah, I know, but the comment mentions Swift everywhere else, including in the name of the list being created in Reminders. The conflation of Swift and SwiftUI also shows up a few other times in the comments here.
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