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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by oarsinsync »

theaussiestew wrote: post #42
poulsbohemian wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Respectfully, even the iPad hasn't fully evolved into a laptop replacement, so why should we think this device will fit all the multitude of use cases that necessitate the computing power represented by a laptop / desktop device?

It's because it has a M2 and can be used as a monitor for an ordinary MacBook

The current iPad Pro has an M1 and can be used as a monitor for an ordinary MacBook. I suspect the iPad Pro refresh due this year will have an M2.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by PostOnce »

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing.

Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s

$3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to paint by numbers of a real canvas -- why is this basic concept of "a $3500 novelty device should enable me to do something _new_" so hard for a 3 trillion dollar company to grasp?

Are they just hoping someone comes up with all the above in the next 6 months? If they did, would anyone care? $3500 is relatively a lot of money if you're already giving them iPhone and Macbook money. The supermajority of the world doesn't make more then 60k a year, pre-tax. Actually, the supermajority makes vastly less than that.

I guess I'll wait and watch and see if they prove me wrong, but I suspect no matter how good it is, it'll flop.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by stocknoob »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

You don’t make money targeting those without money to spend.

By that logic, Tesla shouldn’t be the top selling car, why would you buy them instead of a 25k Corolla? Many are willing to pay a premium for a best-in class-experience, which is what this headset is.

There’s a lot, lot of disposable income in the world, but not held by the supermajority.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by JellyBeanThief »

joak wrote: post #60

It could be that in 3-5 years a mass market emerges from this. Or it could be like apple's newton handheld computer, released in the early 1990s and discontinued without successor. The smartphone eventually arrived but a good decade later.

I'm seriously hoping it's a success. I grew up on Apple, but five years ago I jumped to Linux and ThinkPads and haven't looked back until now. I want a Linux-based XR environment, but that won't happen unless the hardware becomes cheap and common and hackable enough for a developer community to even think about seriously trying for it. So the range of headsets that have been offered until now have left me disheartened, focused as they are on entertainment. The HoloLens gave me some hope, but Microsoft can't touch Apple for hardware, and they wisely limited themselves to specialized use cases.

Apple isn't playing, though. They're targeting all use cases--entertainment, socializing, and working, even collaboratively. They don't want this just in the office, they want it in the home. If they succeed (on the second generation, mind you) then Microsoft and PC makers will be in the same position phone makers were when the iPhone took hold. They'll have to work together if they want to catch up, and they'll have to work fast, which means working openly.

So I'm hoping. But I ain't betting.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by astrange »

andrewstuart wrote: post #68
inconceivable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

>>. am i REALLY that old? am i taking crazy pills? What you are, is snarky. The only times Apple ever did this in the past, the product flopped because it was too expensive. Maybe other companies have been leading with expensive tech waiting for the market to catch up, but Apple hasn't - not since the Lisa anyway. And yes I am on old fogey - ol enough to remember that the industry has been waiting for consumers to "c…

This isn't a VR product, it's an AR product. Although not one you'd use outside much, so still limited.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by matsemann »

joak wrote: post #60

It could be that in 3-5 years a mass market emerges from this. Or it could be like apple's newton handheld computer, released in the early 1990s and discontinued without successor. The smartphone eventually arrived but a good decade later.

I've always dreamt of a good AR goggle. I'm just a bit apprehensive about Apple being the big player. My country isn't thaaat big on Apple. So I would never use facetime to call people, for instance. So I'm afraid that if it's locked down, as is typical for Apple, I won't get to experience it fully.

I want it hackable, not because I myself is gonna do anything with it, but because I want that kind of innovation. Not the boring, polished, exec-vision thingy. Let other people invent new ways of doing stuff!

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by bagels »

7e wrote: post #52
nbittich wrote: post #34

Same pattern over and over, futuristic hardware, closed source software. This looks boring to me. I don't expect anything ground breaking from it. It's gonna be an iphone sticked to your eyes. Those big tech companies remove all the fun and excitement we used to have with new hardware. We know how it's gonna behave and it's limitation before it's released to the public.

Open source software developers could never approach the masterpiece of software craftsmanship is on display here. Only exceptional, highly paid professionals with intense focus can achieve this. Generally, those who can, do and get paid handsomely, those who can't, pretend by volunteering their open source. We're talking Hollywood composer vs. music teacher, here.

1) I'm sure there's a lot of open source software hiding in every apple device. 2) I know Facebook and Google contribute to open source, probably Apple does too? 3) Of course you can get a lot of well qualified people working on a project if you pay them.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by maigret »

7e wrote: post #57
wickedsickeune wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best software I've ever used is git and it's FOSS. The closed source alternatives don't even come close, even on niche usecases.

You should try Google and Facebook's internal SCM tools. Better than Git by miles. Git itself was a copy of the real innovator in the space, BitKeeper. Git, being free, has undercut commercial solutions, and that market is now a wasteland.

Interestingly GitHub and GitLab have captured most of that market by plugging the gaps in the developer journey. I sometimes use git standalone for personal work but wouldn't dare for a bigger project.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by pproe »

eesmith wrote: post #63
7e wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more than one order magnitude, less than two. So, plural!

It's less than one order of magnitude. 4 million vs. 24 million is a factor of 6, not 10.

I guess in that case you could still say its 0.6 orderS of magnitude... So not entirely false.
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