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Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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I love the easy to use for Mac, is there anything similar on Gnome ? I'm aware of Sway,I3 etc. just don't have energy to switch. Please ?

I quite like Pop!_OS Shell (https://github.com/pop-os/shell) for tiling on Gnome, it feels like the right compromise for me of tiling while still having access to a full DE. Seems that installing it on other distribution should be easy enough.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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I moved to an external touchpad years ago on macOS and haven't looked back. I can just rest my wrist on my table and move my fingers, it's also (IMO, YMMV) easier to find with my hand without looking. With a mouse, the movement comes all the way from my shoulder and elbow, it's not practical to move it just with your wrist -> neck pain (again, for me, YMMV). I do have a mouse I connect for gaming and 3D work, those a…

> it's not practical to move it just with your wrist Really? I'm trying it. I have my wrist planted on the table and just moving the mouse. Over the span of about an inch, it goes from one end of the 1920 pixel desktop to the other. Tweak the mouse parameters, maybe? I have a tiny Logitech M187 mouse. I sometimes work in tight places on the go; tiny desks in recreation centres and such.

I've tried but I cant hit anything with a mouse that sensitive, maybe it's a lack of practice but I've never bothered to try it for that long.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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wow, that keyboard looks painful. Really, why would you use a hard wooden wrist rest? what a mess. I had trouble with my palms years ago, and a soft wrist rest was the solution. Your palms don't have high pressure points, the weight is spread out. This means the system of strings and pulleys from your muscles in your arms that control your fingers can function well, and long-term. The skin slides across soft material…

>Your wrists are warm. This is a bad thing in the summer.

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Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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> Moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back, is … a large cause of RSI Citation needed. When I had RSI the doctor noted that it was only in my non-mouse left hand. They said the moving of my hand between mouse and keyboard provided a relief for my hand, and recommended I move my non-mouse hand away from the keyboard more often.

I use a MacBook Pro and I developed left shoulder issues. Sounds silly but I am thinking it could be due to heavy use of double keys like Cmd-tab, shift+ for upper casing. I unconsciously avoid typing the colon (:) and write (-) instead where applicable, like in “about this — “ instead of “about this:”, because this feels less painful. Not sure if I am just an example of 1 here

I also think the issue could be the mushy MacBook Pro keys. Not sure how to articulate this, or whether this is a known issue, but these mushy keys over time seem “painful” to use. However my problem with switching to non mushy mech kbs was that I had to always reach for a mouse or trackpad. The convenience (and ergonomics?) of the trackpad under the thumbs is great and normal mech kbs loose that.

So I am now going to try the UHK V2 split keyboard with a trackball module.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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Semi-related rant titled “Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983”: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/927593460642615296 It’s about the way software is designed around having a mouse, even when it doesn’t make sense.

Computer users of the day were experts, and they were accustomed to using a CLI. Today's users are less computer savvy, and use more applications, which means they can not memorize everything. That said, I do wish more applications provided better keyboard support, like IDEs do with reconfigurable shortcuts. Keyboard macros used to be a thing too.

> Today's users are less computer savvy

And today's developers are also less computer savvy.

Why when there is only one (1) input field in an application this does not get keyboard focus ? (Firefox, Teams)

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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> Moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back, is … a large cause of RSI Citation needed. When I had RSI the doctor noted that it was only in my non-mouse left hand. They said the moving of my hand between mouse and keyboard provided a relief for my hand, and recommended I move my non-mouse hand away from the keyboard more often.

For carpal tunnel related injuries, alternating positions between mouse and keyboard will provide intermitent relief to the wrist tissues.

For shoulder/rotator cuff related injuries resting your forearm without weight bearing will provide relief, so repeatedly alternating mouse and keyboard will probably cause strain in those tissues.

Unfortunately the term RSI is a huge bag to say some non recovering 'chronic inflammation' which is not particularly helpful in these discussions.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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> Moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse and back, is … a large cause of RSI Citation needed. When I had RSI the doctor noted that it was only in my non-mouse left hand. They said the moving of my hand between mouse and keyboard provided a relief for my hand, and recommended I move my non-mouse hand away from the keyboard more often.

Like many here, I'm sure, I've dealt with computer related RSI for years. I never made the plunge to mouseless, but I have significantly reduced the incidence of pain in my hands and forearms with these tips:

* Get separate mouse and keyboard wrist rests.

* Use more than one type of mousing device and switch up from time to time (e.g. trackball, trackpoint, touchpad, graphic tablet).

* Use a vertical mouse with a handshake-style grip as opposed to standard palm-down mouse, which can put stress on your forearm and elbow.

* Look up RSI forearm stretches and take breaks to stretch your arms and hands for a few moments at least every few hours. I'm also a big fan of gyro ball exercisers.

* An ergonomic chair with movable armrests can keep your arms at around the same height as the desk your working at, which also helps.

* Scroll long pages by clicking the scroll wheel and mousing down rather than using the scroll wheel the traditional way.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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It really depends on the software someone uses. Windows or macOS? It isn't going to compete with a twiddled Linux distro. Use mouse-heavy programs like DAWs, Photoshop et al? You're going to have a bad time in those mouse-heavy programs if all your cursor usage is with arrow keys, getting further and further away from the speed-of-thought. If all someone does is lurk the CLI and their IDE, great for them, they'll pro…

I specified “work desk” for a reason. Of course I still have a mouse for gaming and music.

Shockingly, some work desks include MIDI controllers, mine included.

I replied to a comment and didn't leave a top-level comment for a reason.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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> it's not practical to move it just with your wrist Really? I'm trying it. I have my wrist planted on the table and just moving the mouse. Over the span of about an inch, it goes from one end of the 1920 pixel desktop to the other. Tweak the mouse parameters, maybe? I have a tiny Logitech M187 mouse. I sometimes work in tight places on the go; tiny desks in recreation centres and such.

I've tried but I cant hit anything with a mouse that sensitive, maybe it's a lack of practice but I've never bothered to try it for that long.

I think, the OS is supposed to do something to improve the accuracy of small movements, while letting you whip across the desktop without using a lot of room on the physical desk.

I often do screenshot edits where I'm doing a rectangular select with pixel precision. It's not easy to click without it moving off by a pixel, but I manage.

The mouse itself is a factor! There is a difference!

I didn't pay attention to this this before, but I'm doing a direct A/B comparison. I plugged an old Dell wired mouse into the laptop, using it side-by-side with the tiny Logi M187.

The M187 covers the entire width of the desktop in about 1/3rd of the physical movement compared to the old Dell wired mouse. I don't even have to rotate the palm of the hand; if I just move it left and right with movements of the thumb and ring finger, it covers the desktop.

However, I can still cover the desktop on the Dell without lifting my wrist. The movement is larger; I hate it. :)

The mouse settings in effect must be the same for both; there are no independent mouse settings per device.

Re: Exterminate your desk: How to remove your mouse

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I've used keynav successfully on Linux to emulate a mouse via my keyboard when my mouse broke.

Quite nice, especially with the right configuration (the default is a bit lacking for my taste).

However, I wouldn't want to eliminate the mouse completely, even though I do much of my work in a terminal like in the article.

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