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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by 908B64B197 »

TexanFeller wrote: post #52

These protesters are just going to accelerate outsourcing. If companies can't get the benefits of in-office Americans and are forced into having a remote workforce they might as well get them for 1/4 of the price from Central and South America.

> they might as well get them for 1/4 of the price from Central and South America.

Where can I find these mythical Central and South Americans that are "just as qualified as US engineers" and 1/4 of the price?

I keep hearing about them, but the only devs I've met who would match that description were very much charging US rates.

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Post by seattle_spring »

typon wrote: post #7

The corporate workers were okay with hearing about the warehouse workers peeing in bottles because they were getting their fat paychecks on time. Remember, capitalists will come for you no matter how comfortable you feel.

How exactly do you propose a mid-level software engineer affect the working conditions in a warehouse?

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Post by krainboltgreene »

TexanFeller wrote: post #52

These protesters are just going to accelerate outsourcing. If companies can't get the benefits of in-office Americans and are forced into having a remote workforce they might as well get them for 1/4 of the price from Central and South America.

This kind of sentiment is both in tech and also in every other field that has or could have unionization, and it's never true.

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Post by stuaxo »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

He owns a car company and wants people to use cars.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Taking the argument seriously is exactly what he wants - debating the position makes it a valid position. There is really no argument there, just self-interest. If its immoral to have more or different privileges than someone else, thats literally communism. He should give up all his wealth in that case.

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Post by mwint »

lettergram wrote: post #38
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I have a farm and work remotely. I'm awake 18 hrs a day, spend 6 with my family & 12 working -- 8 for tech job, 4 for farm. I do this 6 days a week. I'm insanely productive by most metrics (many many launched products, side gigs, work 1.5 jobs, etc). I schedule my day down to 15 min increments (though obviously, adjustments are always made). Remote work affords me that opportunity and I work as hard as anyone. It's f…

What does your planning process look like? I’d like to get more structure in my workday, maybe not that much… but how do you deal with the Stuff that inevitably Comes Up?

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Post by jgalt212 »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

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Post by superfrank »

cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

> It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

I'm a big proponent of "I don't care where you work as long as your work gets done" and have been since before covid, but I haven't come across anything that actually proves that, so... source?

If there's a good study out there that shows that that is true, I'd love to see it so I can use it as evidence, but so far every study I've seen that claims this tends to either have some very narrow definition of productivity (like number of emails sent) or fails to take overall impact on the organization into account (more work completed, but less coordination between teams may not be a net positive).

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Post by otterley »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #49
adverbly wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its a CRE angle. He has multiple companies built around transportation. Remote work => less demand for transportation.

There’s no way that someone as wealthy as he doesn’t own at least some commercial property. Even if not himself, Tesla alone owns billions in CRE, not to mention his other companies. Commercial properties are some of the most valuable assets a company owns, of course the guy wants to keep CRE values up. Just because he owns some transportation companies doesn’t mean he’s allergic to CRE, that’s kinda naive. That’s li…

Counterpoint: Berkshire Hathaway owns practically no commercial real estate assets.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I generally like feeling spouting off in the reflection that comes from it. I wouldn't want to put words, but I can see some individuals claiming a human right to work from home as an example of moral hypocrisy. That's sad, of course I don't work from home as a mutual agreement between consenting adults has any moral questions
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