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Meta preps new social app
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#72Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.
Facebook has such a network: WhatsApp. In the US apparently not that omnipresent, but it's everywhere in many countries. Facebook has the data, and knows exactly how such closed-networks are in demand, can (not) be monetized and what features are needed to make them grow. In e.g. The Netherlands anything from your neighborhood-watch to parents-info, or anything related to school, via business-groups, your bachelors p…
Yes, I use WhatsApp, my family uses WhatsApp, my wife's family uses WhatsApp. I found it to be an incredibly effective tool and was a really big fan of Jan Koum and Brian Acton pre-sale to Facebook. And now, I wonder how to replace it. Signal did not become a replacement, if anything it's not that great because user friendliness trumps everything else. Networks are sticky and shifting a network is a damn near impossible task, but then people are using WhatsApp over Facebook Messenger or SMS, so I guess the question is, how do you create another shift? I'm personally developing more and more conviction around the idea of doing something that first tries to tackle this on a personal level before doing it for others e.g How do I get my family off WhatsApp. Well, I might need to run the equivalent as a private server or I might need a way to bridge the chat to pull them over. I might need some sort of really key collaborative feature also.
I definitely think there's a sort of missing tool for family, friends and community. One that's totally private. Maybe like an open source facebook groups. But hosting is a must because no one wants to run it, we just want to know its open source, vetted and we can guarantee it's private. Where Signal was for 1:1 text on Mobile, I think something else could be community first.
Re: Meta preps new social app
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook is a private network.
>Facebook is a private network. You're getting sidetracked by the word "private" instead of looking at the contextual meaning of the conversation people are having: When grandparent poster (asim) wrote: >"and now people need to go back to something more real and private." asim meant "private"=="less-visible-more-intimate-group". You're talking about "private"=="walled-garden". The threeseed's reply of "So I think pub…
yes thanks for clarifying that. I really do mean, private as in, no one outside of your circles of real connections can see it and it's entirely invite only. Who do I invite into my home and personal conversations? Well not the people on facebook or twitter I'll tell you that much.
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#74I want to offer a counterpoint to the current consensus in the comments from (my) real-world interactions. In many countries outside of US, Twitter is occupied by a minority audience which is usually in its own bubble. Instagram is much more popular especially in Millenials who are now in the age group where they start to be more politically active and less motivated by the "pure entertainement" side of the social me…
> Currently, if you are not traveling or doing some kind of beauty influencing, instagram
I dunno, it’s a nice little closed network for me. I see updates from friends and family, only they see my updates, Insta has gotten pretty good at surfacing the cat videos I like to watch.
I don’t want to see the opinions of the general public or the political opinions of my friends (I’d much rather get both from professional journalists), and neither show up on my Instagram
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#75It isn't a Twitter clone built for the sake of it. This is Meta wanting data for its LLMs aware of the latest trends and news-worthy events as they happen. Probably generate ad videos and banners on-the-fly, even?
I'm pretty sure they started this project because they saw weakness in Elon's Twitter and wanted to pounce on the opportunity.
Then the LLMs got popular and maybe they think they can use the content for LLMs too.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook is a private network.
>Facebook is a private network. You're getting sidetracked by the word "private" instead of looking at the contextual meaning of the conversation people are having: When grandparent poster (asim) wrote: >"and now people need to go back to something more real and private." asim meant "private"=="less-visible-more-intimate-group". You're talking about "private"=="walled-garden". The threeseed's reply of "So I think pub…
Public / private and walled garden are not what you are saying.
I'm saying only your friends on Facebook will see your posts, so it is private, unlike twitter where the whole world will see them. And you can create groups if you want to have even more private discussions.
Twitter, LinkedIn are walled gardens, but public ones. Facebook is a private walled garden.
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#77So they are copying twitter now, I guess the circle of the internet has been completed, or maybe they after they fail this they will take a shoot on copying vbulletin/ipb forums from 2007 again?
Nah, irc client
Meta does have Workplace which is sort of like IRC + forums for corporations dressed up in the Facebook UI.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Build a super app that contains an in-house variant of almost everything that becomes popular. WeChat for example.
This isn't the model I'm referring to. The new generation of Chinese software companies are more like the ByteDance model. https://hbr.org/2022/02/how-bytedance-became-the-worlds-most...
Is global mass surveillance and deliberate culture erosion part of this model too?
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#79Public networks are dead. We did it for two decades and now people need to go back to something more real and private. Social networks in the current form are just attention seeking. We've been trained to say things that will garner likes and retweets. I welcome text and chat, maybe even voice to text but not in the public form. Closed networks only now.
Public networks are a lot more hostile than we realize while we have moderation armies at work. That may not be a sustainable model. I think the way forward is building the right tools to help communities self-manage. It will be more like Discord and less like Twitter.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Facebook has such a network: WhatsApp. In the US apparently not that omnipresent, but it's everywhere in many countries. Facebook has the data, and knows exactly how such closed-networks are in demand, can (not) be monetized and what features are needed to make them grow. In e.g. The Netherlands anything from your neighborhood-watch to parents-info, or anything related to school, via business-groups, your bachelors p…
Yes, I use WhatsApp, my family uses WhatsApp, my wife's family uses WhatsApp. I found it to be an incredibly effective tool and was a really big fan of Jan Koum and Brian Acton pre-sale to Facebook. And now, I wonder how to replace it. Signal did not become a replacement, if anything it's not that great because user friendliness trumps everything else. Networks are sticky and shifting a network is a damn near impossi…
I introduced my extended family to Signal after they initially wanted to use WhatsApp. It has worked perfectly for years, ages from 14 to 80.