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What's an LMM? I've never seen the term. > Comparing weighted next-word-engines to feeling, thinking, aware beings is insulting Why is it reasonable to be so reductionist about e.g. GPT-4 but not be so reductionist about a biological brain? E.g., why can't I say that your brain is nothing but a bunch of biological neurons trained using its input and intialized based on your genetics? It's equally true, and equally mi…

LMM = Large Markov Model. I use that term because models like GPT-4 and friends are for all intents and purposes Markov chains with more data, more compute, some lossy compression, and a bit of nearest neighbor search. Next-word-engines. > why can't I say that your brain is nothing but a bunch of biological neurons trained using its input and intialized based on your genetics? Because we don't think one word at a tim…

>Because we don't think one word at a time

In what sense does an LLM think one word at a time that doesn't also apply to a person typing at a keyboard? I'm typing one word at a time right now, I assume you aren't about to declare me a markov chain. When I read my brain presumably ingests one word at a time (not sure if it's one exactly, but it can't be much more than one). It is of course true that I have some notion of what I'm going to say before I right the first word, but seemingly so does an LLM.

If it was truly thinking one word at a time, it wouldn't be able to consistently use 'an' vs 'a' correctly, for example.

>we don't restart from scratch for every subsequent word.

LLMs don't restart from scratch for every word, via the attention heads they can look back through the entire context. Otherwise the memory required for inference wouldn't scale with the context length.

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LLM's are an incredibly useful tool which I plan to use extensively, but to think it is even in the same category as biological life is incredibly stupid. Man (and other animals) have Life -> Awareness -> Will -> Speech -> Power. ChatGPT only has Speech that is subject to our prompts.

I'd argue that they don't even have speech in the same sense as we do. We choose words because they're connected to semantics we wish to convey, while LLMs choose words because they fit word patterns that exist in their training datasets.

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Pretty sure it's not magic, black fucking or otherwise, just really complex math, large data sets, and very fast computers.

Magic is that which can not be explained. Could you explain GPT-4's results if you saw them a few years ago?

Setting aside the silliness of that definition of magic, there's a huge leap between "I can't explain it" and "It can't be explained".

There are plenty of explanations of how LLMs work, by their creators, incidentally.

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There’s too much focus on AGI.

Language models do not emulate human minds - they are models of language. The emergent behavior from these models are only a side effect of their main training task, which is to build a model of all meaningful sequences of words. We then use RFHL to bias the model toward a small area of the language latent space which conforms to our idea of intelligent behavior.

Humans (a GI) have zero ability to do language modeling. Human equivalent AGI would similarly fail at this task.

The technology behind language models is more important than general intelligence - it is a universal induction engine that can model (and truly understand) the latent structure of any signal.

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The thing about LLMs that is revolutionary is just how fast you can find a solution to a problem or expand on answers to a problem even to the point of generating a realistic computational-mathematical model of the problem.

For example, the author brings up Kepler, so let's ask:

> "Please explain in concise terms how Kepler used Tycho Brahe's observational data to come up with Kepler's three laws, on ellipitical orbits sweeping equal areas and the square:cube ratio and so on."

Now I want to see if I can build a computational model of Kepler's Laws:

> "Is there a popular orbital mechanics library for the Python language capable of expressing Kepler's Three Laws in code?"

Okay, now I want a simple model to build in code:

> "How would I go about using poliastro to build a dynamic model of the solar system in silico, starting with just the Sun and the the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn?"

Now trying to use Google Search or anything similar to do that, okay maybe you'd eventually find some forum board or stackoverflow physics discussion of orbital dynamics, but this is an incredibly quick entry point to a complex and obscure subject. Of course, you'd want to use Google Search to check the answers to some degree, maybe see what the real astrophysicists are using to run their models, but there's no doubt that this whole thing is a pretty fundamental game-changer, at least for people who understand its limitations.

P.S. the real question will be if we can build AI systems capabale of generating Kepler's Laws from Tycho Brahe's data, instead of just a predictive model. A similar issue is if these AIs can construct novel mathematical proofs.

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Echoing many who now find themselves blindsided by the emergent abilities and rapid adoption of LLMs, the OP: * complains that we still lack a "comprehensive theory to explain what intelligence is or how it emerges from first principles," * argues that deep neural nets like LLMs may not be capable of artificial general intelligence (AGI), and * contends that achieving AGI will require "new algorithmic paradigms." Ric…

I mean, your entire counter-argument is linking a single person's opinion piece. He says that in general more computation is "good" and that search/learning "seem" to scale with computation. That's about it. It doesn't refute the key ideas at all. He also gives the stereotypical horribly flawed trope about how "some people in the past didn't think computers could beat them in chess, and they were wrong, then some peo…

There is more there (which is implicit to that specific piece):

http://incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/DefinitionOfIntelligence...

"John McCarthy long ago gave one of the best definitions: "Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals in the world”. That is pretty straightforward and does not require a lot of explanation. It also allows for intelligence to be a matter of degree, and for intelligence to be of several varieties, which is as it should be. Thus a person, a thermostat, a chess-playing program, and a corporation all achieve goals to various degrees and in various senses. For those looking for some ultimate ‘true intelligence’, the lack of an absolute, binary definition is disappointing, but that is also as it should be."

He then goes on and give a precise definition:

"Intelligence is the computational part of the ability to achieve goals. A goal achieving system is one that is more usefully understood in terms of outcomes than in terms of mechanisms."

When I first encountered ChatGPT, it prompted (as with many others) a reevaluation of my model of the mind. For whatever reason, intelligence was conflated with consciousness for me and the encounter was the catalyst of breaking free from that. Independently in short order I arrived at the notion of kinds and degrees of intelligence, as in the first quote. It now seems perfectly clear that intelligence, mind, and consciousness are 3 distinct things.

At this point still holding the line regarding mind and consciousness, but it is clear that in the computation game, we will lose to purpose built machines.

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post #18

Echoing many who now find themselves blindsided by the emergent abilities and rapid adoption of LLMs, the OP: * complains that we still lack a "comprehensive theory to explain what intelligence is or how it emerges from first principles," * argues that deep neural nets like LLMs may not be capable of artificial general intelligence (AGI), and * contends that achieving AGI will require "new algorithmic paradigms." Ric…

Except this doesn't make any sense. Moores law is beginning to fail size has a physical limit in that we can't get much smaller than an atom.

The potential of AI on the other hand is clear. Look at your self. If someone as intelligent as a human can be physically realized then the possibility of building something as intelligent as a human exists by simple logic.

It's easy to see the convoluted argument on your end. Why bet on something that is physically impossible to continue when you can bet on AI that is not only theoretically possible, but walking and talking versions of intelligence are all around us everyday.

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post #18

Echoing many who now find themselves blindsided by the emergent abilities and rapid adoption of LLMs, the OP: * complains that we still lack a "comprehensive theory to explain what intelligence is or how it emerges from first principles," * argues that deep neural nets like LLMs may not be capable of artificial general intelligence (AGI), and * contends that achieving AGI will require "new algorithmic paradigms." Ric…

> Echoing many who now find themselves blindsided by the emergent abilities and rapid adoption of LLMs, the OP I've said this over and over again: there are no emergent abilities . Before you leap to link me this paper, I'll link it myself: https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.07682 I read that paper. Did you? Did you understand it? Because if you had, you'd have seen that early on they define what they mean when they say "eme…

I agree with you and hopefully once the hype dies down a year or two from now we will see how LLMs can actually shape the tech landscape (if at all significantly).

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The whole premise of this article hinges on the idea that LLMs have fundamental limitations that they clearly don’t have if you’ve looked at lots of gpt4 examples. For example, it can do scientific thinking if you specifically ask it to, and it can reason about totally new situations outside of the training data based on generalizable models of reality it creates to predict training data. If you are certain these limitations must exist based on how LLMs are made, rather than observed capability, it is critical to reevaluate those assumptions.

Moreover, what she defines as scientific thinking is an outdated notion that is no longer widely adopted by scientific researchers, in favor of a more holistic Bayesian process: use intuition to think of something new try, try it, and then update your beliefs with the new data. This is actually more similar to how human brains and LLMs operated before the concept of a scientific method.

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#80

The thing about LLMs that is revolutionary is just how fast you can find a solution to a problem or expand on answers to a problem even to the point of generating a realistic computational-mathematical model of the problem. For example, the author brings up Kepler, so let's ask: > "Please explain in concise terms how Kepler used Tycho Brahe's observational data to come up with Kepler's three laws, on ellipitical orbi…

It's all fun and games until the AI completely hallucinates the answer, while making it sound completely pausible and correct.
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