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I watched someone pretend to fall asleep after getting their bottle of water. Then pretended to be asleep until they landed. They got off the plan with a free bottle of water.
What airline? Most will just bill to the card used to buy the ticket.
Sounds disturbing, but when I think about the thousands of flights, 100000s of passengers, almost all with at least 1 LiIon device…a lot more incidents should have happened at this point. Semi-related story: I started a flight from a not-1st world country to another not-1st in the times when all cell phones had to be switched off. When we approached landing, the cellphones got contact and started buzzing and ringing…
... the demand to have them be switched off or put on airplane mode would've been stringently controlled. It's mostly an FCC issue where a mobile device flying above would try to connect to many base stations.
If the airlines really care, they can tell passengers that leaving the phone radio on will drain their batteries hard as the devices will be desperately trying to regain connectivity, that would get many people to turn these things off/onto airplane mode.
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> Guess what? The increase in the number of fires correlates with growth in the number of electronic devices sold. That would be odd. Surely a huge number of the devices sold replace prior devices. More interesting would be the number of phones on planes and I would assume that this is mostly flat at this point.
While cellphones might have plateued, what hasn't I'd imagine are travel batteries. People get terrible ones from amazon or for free from places with a random corporate logo printed on the side. It's probably a lot of junk that's not nearly as scrutinized as a smartphone with qc. With each year more of these end up being gifted by friends and relatives as a cheap and useful gift and put into circulation.
The airport luggage scanners are also able to detect lithium ion batteries, one time I was sure I didn't have any in my check-in luggage, but the scanner detected an 800mAh camera battery...
Here's a question this group might know the answer to: are lithium battery and lithium-ion battery being used interchangeably by airlines? When they say "lithium" do I need to read that to also mean li-ion as well? Am I the dummy who thinks they mean two separate things and everyone else knows they mean the same thing?
They're the same thing. At this point no batteries are made purely from lithium (I remember seeing some research on that front). It's all lithium ion, lithium polymer, etc. In casual settings the terms get used interchangeably.
In general, rechargable batteries are lithium ion, with a few different chemistries that differ in danger.
The other main class of lithium batteries are lithium metal batteries, which have metallic lithium as the name suggests. In general these are not rechargeable. Lithium metal AA/AAA batteries are better than alkalines but more expensive. Any button battery that has a name starting with "CR" is a lithium metal battery.
So if you know the context is rechargeable batteries, "lithium" and "lithium ion" are basically the same term. But in a wider context "lithium battery" has more uses.
Some folks in front of me had a mifi hotspot light on fire at the airport while in line to board. I saw the smoke and thought they were trying to get one last vape in, and told them it was bold of them. They said they didn't vape, after which I said their backpack was smoking. Gate lady made them throw it in the (blastproof, I guess) trash can. They eventually got to board but had to toss the backpack. That said they…
> allegiant still wanted to charge us for water. I'd be surprised if they didn't have to charge for water with flights from Memphis to Vegas for $38[0] and Cincinnati to Fort Myers for $44[1]. [0] https://www.allegiantair.com/low-cost-las-vegas-flights [1] https://www.allegiantair.com/deals
The Boeing 787 had problems with the aircraft's own lithium batteries going into thermal runaway and catching fire.[1] Fortunately, on the ground at an airport. When it happened a second time, all 787s were grounded for months. I suspect that once there's a better battery technology, maybe lighter lithium-iron-phosphate or a noncombustible solid battery, the current lithium ion technology will be prohibited on aircra…
In 2010, UPS Flight 6 in Dubai was brought down by a fire that started in a pallet of Lithium Ion batteries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6 The article claims that there’s one incident per week for these passenger-owned device fires on commercial flights. When they happen in the cabin it’s spectacular and terrifying but the bigger worry is when a fire smolders out of sight.
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In 2010, UPS Flight 6 in Dubai was brought down by a fire that started in a pallet of Lithium Ion batteries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6 The article claims that there’s one incident per week for these passenger-owned device fires on commercial flights. When they happen in the cabin it’s spectacular and terrifying but the bigger worry is when a fire smolders out of sight.
So should one not pack a power bank (Anker) in your check in luggage?
Here's a question this group might know the answer to: are lithium battery and lithium-ion battery being used interchangeably by airlines? When they say "lithium" do I need to read that to also mean li-ion as well? Am I the dummy who thinks they mean two separate things and everyone else knows they mean the same thing?
Ideally we'd have smarter policies, I think? I can bring on 2x+ RC hobbyist 100WHr lipo packs that scares even me, a lot. Amazing tech, super cheap. 4.5Ah 22.6V pack, converts down to usb-c ranges with absurd efficiency, 24v->120vac inverters are awesome. Packs are so cheap. High power ones can fully discharge in under a minute, which is 6.5kW output, absurd. But my heavens these things are just terrifying. I occasio…
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Ideally we'd have smarter policies, I think? I can bring on 2x+ RC hobbyist 100WHr lipo packs that scares even me, a lot. Amazing tech, super cheap. 4.5Ah 22.6V pack, converts down to usb-c ranges with absurd efficiency, 24v->120vac inverters are awesome. Packs are so cheap. High power ones can fully discharge in under a minute, which is 6.5kW output, absurd. But my heavens these things are just terrifying. I occasio…
Keep an eye on those skateboard batteries. I left a few of those charging and burned down the house. Get an ammo crate for them!
I also have a pretty great charger & charge gently, usually 1A on my 4.5Ah cells. Barely anything. And I monitor cell resistance closely to spot trouble ahead of time. That's key.
I feel pretty responsible here, but I also know I am playing with a dangerous dangerous scary scary thing. I still don't feel great about this. I charge while I'm home & leave my charge setup in the middle of open floor, away from flammable things. But oh I know it's still a risk. I should get a charge crate. Thanks. Sorry that happened to you. Terrifying.
I did an international flight to a country that had spotty power and it was a 3+ week trip. So naturally I grabbed my kids firetablet 5000 mah battery packs (x2), my iPhone charger, personal and work laptop, and a couple sets of AirPods. Needless to say my backpack was heavy. One airline (Asiana) wanted to weigh my carryon and told me it was too heavy. I told them I had reservations checking lithium batteries to a no…
The baggage compartments of modern jet aircraft are pressurized