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The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by krono »

neximo64 wrote: post #27
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not neutering, it's pest control

I'm assuming you're typing this with the comfort of some kind of blink or webkit based web browser, made by said pests

What we call pests often fulfil such important roles in nature that we'd be hopelessly effed without them. They only become a problem when they decide to come and live in our homes, eat from our food, and lay eggs in our beds.

So since we're stuck with them, the best thing we can do is to try and prevent this problematic behaviour from taking place. If that somehow fails things are going to get nasty for a while.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by cmilton »

ttjjtt wrote: post #69
cmilton wrote: post #42

Why do we assume evil? How do our unfounded decisions today affect the possibilities of progress? How easy will it be to repeal these laws when we find the harm they may cause? I would prefer to wait and see.

Because the results of the last few decades of tech optimism have been so utterly dismal? And all the other results of the neo lib deregulation dream which, we’re most of us are either quietly panicked or despondent about.

>Because the results of the last few decades of tech optimism have been so utterly dismal?

Can you expound upon this a bit? In my view, we have witnessed astonishing progress in tech over the last few decades.

>neo lib deregulation dream

What is your dream?

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by lillecarl »

bionhoward wrote: post #21
lm28469 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One is neutering and the other is cultivating Now the question is: what are they neutering/cultivating. It might very well end in a "why did we start putting lead in gas again?" / "we can spray kids with DDT clouds right?" x100 moment

You could make the converse statement about thalidomide, which USA avoided while others suffered severe problems. Regulation isn’t a silver bullet, and it’s particularly challenging to regulate AI because bits flow faster than atoms

There's also the opioid epidemic and amphetamine epidemic. They're pretty hard to justify in my opinion. Not that other countries don't have issues, but it's less common in democracies that that these things are pushed onto people by the govt through lobbying.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by carschno »

hackeraccount wrote: post #18

The people writing these regulations don't know what the problems of the future are. The problems of the present are tricky because every problem has a constituency (if it didn't it wouldn't be a problem.). The EU is trying to get around this by acting quickly before constituencies can develop. This will make no one happy - it's like my wife telling me that a car's going to hit me if I walk out the front door so she'…

> every problem [in the present] has a constituency

The internet as a way of distribution is not exactly new, plenty of legislations on various levels have been dealing with that fact for a while, for instance GDPR. "The people writing these regulations" cannot predict the future indeed, but that is obvious. It should not serve as an excuse for doing nothing, though.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by smarx007 »

can16358p wrote: post #65
endisneigh wrote: post #3

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

Same for GDPR. Not a surprise all big tech is in US. If EU wants to play this card, US will get even stronger at keeping tech talent. (I reside neither in the US or EU)

I didn't see any effect from GDPR on tech talent migration. Any source on this?!

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Post by hef19898 »

can16358p wrote: post #65
endisneigh wrote: post #3

The acceleration of the divergence of the EU from the United States with respect to cutting edge software will be a site to behold. One is neutering and the other is cultivating.

Same for GDPR. Not a surprise all big tech is in US. If EU wants to play this card, US will get even stronger at keeping tech talent. (I reside neither in the US or EU)

Reducing everything, technology, economy and society, to software tech is such a pseudo-SV bubble thing, it is getting boring by now.

Re: The EU AI act is coming, this time for real probably

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

neximo64 wrote: post #27
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's not neutering, it's pest control

I'm assuming you're typing this with the comfort of some kind of blink or webkit based web browser, made by said pests

Never accused browser developers of being pests.

But I do have some candidates, say gig-economy delivery apps that bypass minimum wage, and put drivers under auch time pressure that they are always panicking, besides peeing in bottles one of them hit my friend on a motorbike and nearly put him in the hospital.

Many the Deliveroo folks in London are driving illegal ebikes with 1000W motors at 45 km speed. I

Most of then are self-done conversion of $150 bicycle that is not even roadworthy, has old squeky rim brakes, no mirrors or horn or anything.

If I know this, deliveroo knows this, and I am confident that they are knowingly taking advatage of this situation. If they were fully employed, deloliveroo would have to provide them with vehicles, something roadworthy.

For example a Riese & Muller ebike is actually a roadworthy light moped with mirrors, ABS, etc.

Why is my safetu sacraficed to save deliveroo like 2 grand on vehile costs? Are lives so cheap?

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Post by nickfromseattle »

andybak wrote: post #63
gumballindie wrote: post #50

> While the AI Act’s references to copyright issues in generative AI are still very vague and only stress how much of a grey area it is, requiring providers of large models to be more transparent about their sources seems not a bad thing as such. As many aspects of the act it will be seen how this works out in practice. If my license prohibits use of my work for ai training, or requires that any modified code include…

This feels like (yet another) extension of copyright. Whilst I'm not sure I completely disagree with you, I want people to acknowledge that copyright is not the natural state of the universe. Prior to (I think) 1790 there was no copyright and human beings managed minor things like, you know, the renaissance and stuff like that. Copyright was invented and enforced and the results have been a mixed bag. It seems to suf…

> it's about the net benefit to society and we should be very careful what we wish for.

Seems like we have a classic trolly problem.

On one track, compensating copyright holders is required for LLMs, and it's going to be very expensive to acquire all of this copyrighted info, meaning only the biggest companies can afford to do it.

On the other track, compensating copyright holders is not required, LLMs (led by big tech) capture most of the economic value from every incremental piece of content created by humans in perpetuity, consolidating wealth in the hands of a few shareholders and insiders.

Neither seem ideal.

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