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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by Gwypaas » Sat, May 06, 2023, 12:24 PM UTC

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #44

timonoko wrote: post #32

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Yes. But what is the point of this ship if not fully restore the original look-and-feel of the era. Satellite antenna in the mizzen mast is also an abomination. They should have dirty drawings from France instead of Pornhub.

That’s a nav radar not a satellite antenna. It would be down right irresponsible (and probably illegal - I’m not really good with law concerning civilian ship) to sail a ship this size without one. Restoration is good but there is no reason to put the crew in unnecessary danger.

The white blob on the mizzen mast is a satellite antenna. To have the vessel sail in A3 areas the common choice is to have satellite communication, and it is used for their social media and outreach.

The navigation radars is actually quite well hidden sitting on the platform of the foremast.

There is more information about the emergency communication requirements on commercial vessels for different areas of the planet here:

https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gmdss-areas-and-search-and-rescu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Maritime_Distress_and_S...

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by zhrvoj » Sat, May 06, 2023, 12:44 PM UTC

Gwypaas wrote: post #69

sandworm101 wrote: post #63

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But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft having lost its rudder. Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it slamming into the stern.

You would never tow so close that it would become a risk unless manouverering the disabled vessel in close quarters, and then it usually is preferable to tie the vessels alongside each other. You can see the distances they chose in this particular case in the third image from their Instagram post. https://www.instagram.com/p/CryES46tgWl/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2...

Sail boat towing other boats (similar loa) should attach towing line close to her center of effort. Think like attaching towing line to the mast foot. Not on the stern. Not an easy task to do. That's why many sailors just use any stern cleat. And the towed boat should attach towing line not to the bow, but also to the center of effort. Then both boats can manouver. I also lost rudder blade, on the 10m sailboat, in the middle of Adriatic sea, 2005, during regatta, in 35kt NE wind and 3m waves. Not possible to steer anyhow. Tryed to improvize rudder, but we almost lost a crewman. We were on 2nd reef already. SAR came. Since there was no rudder on my boat, attaching towing line to bow was only option. My towed sailboat course was changing +-30 degrees every few minutes, and finally towing line broke loose because of the forestay chaffing.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by vrglvrglvrgl » Sat, May 06, 2023, 12:46 PM UTC

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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by javajosh » Sat, May 06, 2023, 12:48 PM UTC

Wonderful story of comraderie on the high seas. It's one of the best things about cruising. Its as close to space travel as you're going to get, and you really stop taking humans for granted out there.

I've been sailing my whole life, but never lost a rudder (thank God!). With dinghy racing (as opposed to cruising) it's common to learn how to steer without the rudder, using the trim of the sails and your weight in the boat. You can minimize rudder pressure on cruising sailboat too (again, useful for maximizing speed), but I'd be curious to know more about the limits of what you can do. There are probably some points of sail that work better without a rudder than others. (This is only even theoretically possible because the jib and main can rotate the boat, and the keel will still allow forward motion.)

But yeah, theory aside, 'losing a mast or rudder' level catastrophes like this basically require rescue.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by matsemann » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:04 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #52

matsemann wrote: post #2

At least it wasn't Wasa showing up.. I've once sailed a smaller boat with a centerboard that didn't release. So similar to not having a rudder. Quite scary, everything else have a backup, but without that thing sticking out below the boat you're just drifting aimlessly around.

For anyone who doesn't know about the Vasa, you can read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship) It was a Swedish warship that sank on her maiden voyage in 1628 after making it less than a mile (1,3 km). It was salvaged in 1961 and is today one of Sweden's most famous tourist attractions.

Think it's my favorite museum ever I have visited. Didn't think I would end up spending the whole day there when I was in Stockholm.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by dadadad100 » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:12 PM UTC

marginalia_nu wrote: post #34

acadapter wrote: post #28

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V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same letter until about two decades ago. The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with English words.

It's also noteworthy that in Swedish, w is a double-v not a double-u.

In French also [1]

[1] https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/French/Alphabet

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by mhb » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:16 PM UTC

Rebuilding Tally Ho: https://youtu.be/4FhTu3aGM60

Description

I’m on a mission to rebuild a 1910 English sailing yacht called Tally Ho. Designed by Albert Strange in 1909, she is a well-known and important historic vessel – but after many adventures she was left in a remote port in Oregon to rot for decades, despite some valiant attempts to rescue her. I bought her and moved her to the Olympic Peninsular earlier this year, and am now rebuilding her from the keel up. Eventually I hope to sail her back to the UK.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by pavlov » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:17 PM UTC

doikor wrote: post #65

pavlov wrote: post #31

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Yes. In Finnish and Swedish, the letters V and W traditionally collated together. In other words, this is a correctly alphabetically ordered list: Wasa Virtanen Wiva Viwe The rule was apparently changed in 2006 in Sweden though (with Finland presumably tagging along). There’s probably still plenty of SQL installations around using the old collation rules because tables were created before the 2006 change reached data…

It kinda depends. In a list of names, dictionaries, etc V and W would be separately. This is to make finding the word you are looking for easier. Also in Finnish ÅÄÖ are the end of alphabet. Also Ü and Ű would should be grouped with Y. Õ and Ő with Ö.

> “In a list of names, dictionaries, etc V and W would be separately. This is to make finding the word you are looking for easier.”

If you look at older phone books and dictionaries until the 1990s at least, you’ll find that V and W are combined.

There are common surnames in Finland that retain the V/W spelling equivalence, like Virtanen and Wirtanen. When they are grouped together (as they traditionally were), it’s easier to find a person by name because you don’t need to know which way it’s spelled.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by _yb2s » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:23 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #63

_yb2s wrote: post #61

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I've towed under sail and it works fine if done properly... certainly it can be challenging and requires an experienced person at the helm of each boat, especially if going downwind or upwind. In this case I am sure you are right, and the size difference would make towing under sail dangerous. A sudden gust enough to accelerate the larger boat to above the smaller boats hull speed could pull the smaller boat underwat…

But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft having lost its rudder. Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it slamming into the stern.

Towing a drogue with the smaller boat and using a long tow line will solve this

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Post by roflyear » Sat, May 06, 2023, 1:31 PM UTC

Gwypaas wrote: post #69

sandworm101 wrote: post #63

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But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft having lost its rudder. Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it slamming into the stern.

You would never tow so close that it would become a risk unless manouverering the disabled vessel in close quarters, and then it usually is preferable to tie the vessels alongside each other. You can see the distances they chose in this particular case in the third image from their Instagram post. https://www.instagram.com/p/CryES46tgWl/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2...

Yeah and that's further than it looks. I doubt the smaller vessel would have enough line on board to reach that! It's really far. Of course with two boats easy to find enough line.