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Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by allenleee »

anhner wrote: post #9

NOTHING mentioned on this page can't be done natively or with extensions in other browsers. What is so revolutionary about it? And I won't even mention the landing page for the browser itself which is just 2 page scrolls of "Arc is a browser and more..." with signup links for the wainting list, no description of what it is, what it does, nothing.

I'm currently building the open source version of Arc'Easel feature as a solo desktop app.

Feel free to sign up if you are interested to try: https://memento.allen0s.com/

(Launch in 30 days)

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by ssbash »

Terretta wrote: post #42

# Kagi Orion I encourage HN readers on MacOS to consider Kagi's excellent Orion browser: https://browser.kagi.com/ It has sidebar tab contexts (as hierarchical tab sessions), and several other of the features this author is excited about. # Safari Ventura / iOS 16 For that matter, so does Safari on Ventura and iOS 16. I also encourage new-to-Mac users to try using Safari's sidebar mode coupled with saved and sync'd t…

Safari doesn’t offer a full implementation of vertical tabs. It’s still not possible to hide the horizontal tab bar. I’ve also found Safari’s vertical tabs to lag behind the state of the horizontal tabs.

I like Orion and Arc. Both browsers have good vertical tabs implementations. I like some their other features, but I would prefer to use Safari full time.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by bit_bear »

EnragedParrot wrote: post #13

I've tried Arc and have since reverted back to Firefox. It has a bunch of features I like, but one huge drawback that kind of kills it for me. Arc gives you persistent tabs across all open windows, and you wind up with (whether you want to or not) numerous open windows. That means I have to sift through 5+ open windows of identical tabs just to find the one window with the tab containing the Reddit comment I was in t…

“Most of us use multiple windows to divide up separate, short-term pieces of work that we don't really need to persist very long,”

Thats when you open up a little arc.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by trelane »

peatmoss wrote: post #53
JadeNB wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I refuse to use Chrome-based browsers just to keep things non-monocultural on the web. Even though I do know it's a losing battle. It was a losing battle to make anything other than Internet Explorer a first-class citizen on the web—until the alternatives became so much better that users and developers switched because they wanted to, not because they should. (Which is to say, keep up the fight—today's it a Google…

I remember the bad old days of IE dominance. For this reason I’m on Firefox at work and home. I don’t want to go back.

Too bad Chromium is open source instead of Free Software. Seems like it's spawning a number of incompatible and sometimes user-hostile forks.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by thiht »

anhner wrote: post #9

NOTHING mentioned on this page can't be done natively or with extensions in other browsers. What is so revolutionary about it? And I won't even mention the landing page for the browser itself which is just 2 page scrolls of "Arc is a browser and more..." with signup links for the wainting list, no description of what it is, what it does, nothing.

I hate this trend of landing pages that don’t show anything because they’re ~ so mysterious ~

Anyway, as someone who doesn’t use Arc (yet) but had the chance to assist a quickie (15 minutes presentation in a conference) and had a coworker show it to me, I have to say I’m excited to give it a try when I get the chance. It really seems to solve cleanly some pain points I’ve had for years:

- vertical / horizontal split of tabs is supported

- auto closing of tabs seems like a great feature

- easels look extremely useful, even for dashboarding (they even allow to embed page sections with auto reload)

- links from other apps open in « little arc » so they don’t pollute the tab list (unless you actively want to keep the tab)

I’m glad to see innovation in this space.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by em-bee »

joshmanders wrote: post #59
JadeNB wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I refuse to use Chrome-based browsers just to keep things non-monocultural on the web. Even though I do know it's a losing battle. It was a losing battle to make anything other than Internet Explorer a first-class citizen on the web—until the alternatives became so much better that users and developers switched because they wanted to, not because they should. (Which is to say, keep up the fight—today's it a Google…

I'm really on the fence because I don't want a Google owned web, but at the same time, IMHO Chromium is the superior browser engine out there. I'd like to see it be pulled out of their control (donated by them willingly) and put into maybe like a browser foundation where all major browsers that are built on top of it vote and get a say in how it goes, just like most foundations. I'd rather we have a single unified we…

even if chromium was freed from google, that would not be good enough. code-monoculture is dangerous. we really need multiple implementations of widely used applications to reduce the risk of exploits that would affect everyone. that goes for browsers, smtp or dns servers and anything else that is publicly accessible. (browsers are "accessible" through the websites we visit)

i am with the top poster of this subthread. i absolutely refuse to use anything chrome based to avoid furthering a monoculture.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by EnragedParrot »

drc500free wrote: post #67
EnragedParrot wrote: post #13

I've tried Arc and have since reverted back to Firefox. It has a bunch of features I like, but one huge drawback that kind of kills it for me. Arc gives you persistent tabs across all open windows, and you wind up with (whether you want to or not) numerous open windows. That means I have to sift through 5+ open windows of identical tabs just to find the one window with the tab containing the Reddit comment I was in t…

It deals with that through having multiple "spaces" - horizontal scroll on the tabs to get to another one that can have completely different tabs for a different context. But they haven't smoothed out the UX with multiple windows, which has all the annoyances that you point out. I think they need to figure out how to nudge users towards going to a different space instead of a new window, or automatically launch each…

I think it's more than just shifting users from thinking in windows to thinking in spaces - the problem is fundamentally that spaces don't fill the use-case of a separate window. A space is a permanent place for a collection of tabs, I think they even enable separate logins. To "destroy" a space requires the user going through a series of actions (right click > delete space > confirm deletion).

I use windows as a temporary collection of related things. If I'm researching a purchasing decision, for instance, I'll have a tab with the Amazon listing and a bunch of tabs containing information/reviews about the item. But I only need that for a couple hours, then I want to easily dump everything by closing that window. And I want to be able to easily find just my research info by scanning my open windows. Spaces are too permanent for that use case.

Another way to say that is that Spaces need their own windows sometimes, too, and Arc deals with that scenario way worse than a traditional browser. They need some "in-between" solution if they don't want users needing multiple windows, or they need to handle multiple windows better.

Re: Arc Will Change the Way You Work on the Web

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Post by xrd »

Toutouxc wrote: post #55
xrd wrote: post #46

OSX only right now, eh? Anyone on Linux replicated what is special about Arc? At first glance, I'm assuming this requires shifting my usage patterns, which sounds painful, though the rave reviews so far do indicate it is worth it. But, I wish there was a more granular breakdown of the problem statement and how they solve it. Auto-closing tabs sounds very scary and very interesting.

> OSX only right now, eh? Right now yes, but also this [0]. Also, the OS hasn't been called "OS X" since 2016. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcBrowser/comments/135rznb/arc_on_...

That made me laugh. macOS is what I should be using?
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