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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by antoniojtorres »

The_Colonel wrote: post #15
teruakohatu wrote: post #12

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching. When the family are cut off, they cancel. That's the case for me indeed. I myself basically stopped watching Netflix, somehow the content doesn't do anything for me anymore. But I shared my account with family and they watch it. If this gets to us, and…

Very much in the same boat. In my case my family is in Spain while i’m the US. Wonder how that’ll be policed.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by aflorez »

juanse wrote: post #26
solids wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, spanish content was better years ago, now everything looks copy paste of the same agenda. Not worth it.

Absolutely agree. I also had a family account that kept instead not watching anything anymore. In the end I felt like paying for watching propaganda that I could see for free in national television. This came at the perfect time as an excuse.

What kind of agenda/propaganda is it? Which values are promoted?

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Post by ptspts »

swe_dima wrote: post #40

An unplesant surpsise I got from Netflix is when I went to a vacation to Thailand and got welcomed with "you can't watch it here" screen. Customer support told me I can only watch Netflix in the country I purchased it from. This was not my first trip so must be a new development.

Sometimes some shows are not available or you get different voice languages if you watch your Netflix from a different country.

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Post by m000 »

MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

> If they close the door to account sharing, maybe the subscriptions will start falling like domino pieces.

If people turn out to not watch that much content to warrant 3-4 subscriptions per (strict) household, I wonder if this could lead to a Highlander-like streaming showdown: There can be only one. The thing there is that Netflix should try to avoid the showdown, not push towards it, because they are the least equipped to win:

- Disney+, HBO Max (Warner) -> Own/produce AAA content.

- Prime Video -> Deep pockets, bundled as value added service, own distribution infra.

- Apple -> Very deep pockets, customer loyalty.

- Netflix -> ???

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by alkonaut »

nprateem wrote: post #53
alkonaut wrote: post #50

How do they detect account borrowing? only through simultaneous use? When I pay for the service I expect some low number of simultaneous clients (say 2-4) to be able to stream. Obviously sharing my password means sharing that quota and if the number of concurrent streams is 1 then the password isn't shareable at all. What I don't like though is when there can only be a fixed number of authenticated devices, whether t…

Probably geo IP and calculating feasible travel times. E.g. if 2 clients connect that are 50 miles away within 5 minutes creds are obviously being shared.

That would give way WAY too many false positives. If I'm watching on the bus while my wife watches at home it would trigger. Similar if we have 2 homes etc. It would also rule out anyone using VPNs etc. Seems like a complete no-go and would see a huge chunk of paying users go simply because the product is now much worse for people who are not sharing accounts. That just can't be it.

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Post by [deleted] »

melvinmelih wrote: post #29
teruakohatu wrote: post #12

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

> I think the issue is that people who are paying for an account they are sharing are likely to keep the account active so their family members can continue watching, even if they are also using a competitor. When the family are cut off, they cancel. Definitely the case for me. I am able to help out 10-20 family members across 4 countries, and all I have to do is pay a measly $17.99/mo. If that goes away, I will be c…

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Post by alexdunmow »

corbulo wrote: post #51
alexdunmow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting you say that the content doesn't appeal to you anymore. I feel the same way. My observation is that, for the most part, most of Netflix's original content is reality TV and comedy specials. They don't even seem to be bothering to create great content like Stranger Things anymore. We are at the enshittification of Netflix stage.

Long been there. 'Hello this is Netflix, you've been greenlit, how may I help you?' was a South Park meme years ago.

At least they were greenlighting interesting things as well back then. Now I think the main metric that gets you greenlit is being cheap to produce.

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Post by Jenk »

Netflix have really dissapointed me. I've been a subscriber since before streaming, and have even been content paying the subscription fee during the "breaks" of not using their service for up to months at a time because I so badly want(ed) them to succeed. I also understood the difficult situation they were facing when the producers of content were makkng ridiculous demands on their distribution, or worse, just pulling their content because they were opening their own service or some fuckhead like Murdoch threw money at them to keep an exclusive lock on it.

Their streaming model of watching on-demand (i.e., not a weekly release, here's the whole show to watch at your own pace) and their investment in shows that were not the usual low-brow trope-laden predictable shit meant I was actually excited when a new show was announced. My favourite TV-watching moments have been getting lost in shows like Narcos, The Ozarks, or even the seemingly polarising Orange Is The New Black.

Now I log in and see nothing but nostalgia tv, trash telly like Love Is Blind, or inexplicably 1/3 of my screen is listing mobile games that Netflix think I would be interested in.

.. and I'm genuinely concerned shows like The Diplomat are just going to leave us all hanging.

Meanwhile the other streaming services are at least as bad, but typically worse.

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Post by DoctorNick »

solids wrote: post #20
teruakohatu wrote: post #12

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password > Subscription cancellations in the first quarter tripled compared to the previous period, according to Kantar’s research. Of all remaining Netflix subscribers in Spain, one-tenth said they planned to unsubscribe in the second quarter. So they lost 300,000 paying users whom they think will come back,…

Also, spanish content was better years ago, now everything looks copy paste of the same agenda. Not worth it.

What sort of agenda are you referring to?
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