Wow. n8n in production. Bold.
This was also my reaction. I have not seen it in production before.
With that said, I'm not saying that as a value judgment -- and I guess I'd be curious if you'd be skeptical of making that choice.
We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
#72Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…
Considering I just paid $74 to Youtbe TV just so I could watch one month of NBA playoffs, I'm sure $80 per year would get you laughed out of the room. They know exactly what they're doing and exactly how much pain they can inflict on the fans to extract the maximum amount of money. Though I do think that kind of short-term MBA thinking causes long-term damage to their brand and product, but they don't know how to calculate that in their quarterly earnings reports. In my mind the Olympics is an example of where the long-term damage is really starting to accumulate, I know several people that used to be big Olympics fans 10 years ago that couldn't be bothered last time around because of how painful NBC makes it.
Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
#73Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…
F1 has this absolutely nailed. I fear that if it gets popular enough in the US ESPN will buy exclusive rights and then you'll have to have a cable package in order to watch it.
I always wonder if that is a good decision for the sport in the long run. There is no way I'd subscribe to cable and ESPN to watch F1. That means I'd stop following the sport and the probability of me again spending > $1,500 on tickets goes to zero.
Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
#74So, a lot of users in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what Mux is, and how the "soccer pirates" interact with their service. Let me clarify: Mux is a streaming infrastructure provider. They provide services for companies who want to stream video to their users -- news web sites, video chat services, etc. Kind of like web hosting, but specifically for video. They are not a video content provider; they do not s…
Yeah I was one of the confused at first. Throwing my hands up saying who cares pirates going to pirate. But this is different. They are abusing this service to stream illegal content, vs tapping directly from the akamai stream which I've seen in the past.
Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
#75Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…
This is one reason why I watch esports. The game makers see it as advertisement for their game so they pay for the leagues and shows.
I can watch all of it on YouTube or Twitch for free.
Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates
#76This article could use big improvements in both its tone and organization.
People don't have a lot of love for greedy sports broadcasters, and tech people are often associated with a kind of "information wants to be free" ethos (for better or worse), so starting out your blog post with:
> identify and take action against soccer pirates and other delinquents who try to stream copyrighted content
comes across as pretty tone-deaf for the intended audience. Delinquents? What's next, are they going to tell me not to copy that floppy, or ask if I'd download a car?
What's crazier is that they actually have good justification but don't put it until the end of the article -- that pirates are using the service to broadcast streams that become super-popular (racking up charges) and then don't pay their bills for bandwidth and processing, losing near a million dollars in a year. Talk about burying the lead.
This article is a great example of what not to do. But it's a great learning opportunity for the rest of us. Always start your article with why the article subject matters. Don't wait until the end, don't just assume the reader is on your side.
...And also maybe don't call people delinquents when a decent proportion of your readership probably watches some of these same pirated streams...
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair, but that's not the consumer's problem either. Gaben is right. Piracy is a service problem.
I agree, since Netflix and others are around I don't see much point in spending time and effort on finding a pirate copy of movie X that I can't find on the streaming platforms. i typical move on.
There's definitely a trend of moving back to pirating, just because all the studios and channels are opting for their own service and removing content from Netflix. I don't want to pay for Netflix, Peacock, HBO, Disney+, etc. Not to mention, the tools for finding, downloading, and locally streaming content has become super easy.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
NHL blackouts (at least today’s NHL blackouts) are not for getting fans into arena seats. They exist because local cable broadcasts own the exclusive rights to broadcast games in local markets.
And who sold them those exclusive rights? This is entirely the fault of the leagues in question. They set up a shitty service, no surprise that many people will pirate rather than paying for a service that only partially meets their needs.
The leagues did. I was never disputing that fact.
There's a common misconception that blackouts are in place to protect attendance, but that is (typically) not the case. The Chicago Blackhawks did that for a while (under ownership of Bill Wirtz who explicitly thought that showing local games would hurt attendance) but when Rocky Wirtz took over the team in 2007, he reversed that policy.
Blackouts exist to protect local media rights, which you correctly pointed out were sold to them by the league/teams.
You'll see though that many local sports networks are in financial trouble, and leagues are looking for ways to reacquire the rights to stream directly to fans.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/35668388/rob-manfred-mlb...
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair, but that's not the consumer's problem either. Gaben is right. Piracy is a service problem.
I agree, since Netflix and others are around I don't see much point in spending time and effort on finding a pirate copy of movie X that I can't find on the streaming platforms. i typical move on.
I just want to buy reasonably priced DVDs.
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#80Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…
> I LOVE cycling. To watch every UCI race, I'd have to subscribe to GCN+ (they have the Giro), Peacock (they have the Tour de France and La Vuelta), and Flobikes (they have most of the Classics races).
If you were okay with not watching it live, people were torrenting each day's stage of the tour de France in 2004. There is a pretty big overlap between tech industry people and enthusiastic road cyclists.
Now there's whole communities of people sharing the euro broadcasts of just about everything race for worldwide people to watch.