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Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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That's why you install a firewall on your phone and disallow all outgoing traffic by default - possible with Android, impossible with iOS as far as I know - and keep those drivers away from the 'net. Yes, the device works, you just see loads of 'connection errors' in logcat but those just tell me things work as intended by me by not working as intended by the likes of Qualcomm. As to aGPS being necessary this depends…

The article is about the hardware chip directly sending these information, not through drivers. It is not about iOS or Android or any other OS.

According to the link nwcs posted, it's being done by a user level Java process, not by the modem firmware or anything like that.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#74

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

Sorry, but trying to be optimistic about RISC-V is only going to lead to more pain. It's just an instruction set architecture and it's still going to be made in large SoC fabs by Qualcomm-class companies that want to save a buck on ARM licensing. There's no way to win here.

It's weird how much hype is around it considering about only advantage of it is "now corporations don't have to pay central entity for ISA".

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#75

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

> Imagine if you bought a car from somebody, and they secretly kept a spare key and periodically used your car to run their personal errand. This is happening already. Teslas can be controlled remotely, and it does not have to be the owner of said Tesla. Yes, somehow people are okay with that. The world we live in gets scarier and scarier every year.

Piss of Elon and in the morning your car could be parked some couple of miles away OR FSD buggs out on the highway OR someone reports you for something and they disable your car to aprehend you.

Good bye high speed chases.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#76

This is all assumptions. Just because izatcloud.net is owned by Qualcomm = they must be exfiltrating personal data? c'mon! Then you go and peddle your own NitroPhone as a "Qualcomm free" alternative? You're just gaslighting your customers to buy. This is a very short-sighted article based on lax assumptions and NO WIRESHARK to back it up. Just because a firmware makes a call home doesn't mean it's sending your person…

Did you read the article? Qualcomm legal team replied saying "yes we exfiltrate data, see this privacy policy". What else do you need ?

So it's in Qualcomm's privacy policy. So what? Where did the consumer agree to that? If the phone never went through Google activation, no transaction ever happened which bound the consumer.

Class action lawsuit time.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#77

This is all assumptions. Just because izatcloud.net is owned by Qualcomm = they must be exfiltrating personal data? c'mon! Then you go and peddle your own NitroPhone as a "Qualcomm free" alternative? You're just gaslighting your customers to buy. This is a very short-sighted article based on lax assumptions and NO WIRESHARK to back it up. Just because a firmware makes a call home doesn't mean it's sending your person…

Did you read the article? Qualcomm legal team replied saying "yes we exfiltrate data, see this privacy policy". What else do you need ?

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Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#78

This is all assumptions. Just because izatcloud.net is owned by Qualcomm = they must be exfiltrating personal data? c'mon! Then you go and peddle your own NitroPhone as a "Qualcomm free" alternative? You're just gaslighting your customers to buy. This is a very short-sighted article based on lax assumptions and NO WIRESHARK to back it up. Just because a firmware makes a call home doesn't mean it's sending your person…

Did you read the article? Qualcomm legal team replied saying "yes we exfiltrate data, see this privacy policy". What else do you need ?

> What else do you need ?

Evidence/details of the very specific claims that go beyond that.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#79

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

This angers me as well. At the same time, this sort of thing is so very common. It's hard, and unhealthy, to be in a perpetual state of outrage.

This sort of thing is exactly why I won't be replacing my smartphone when it dies. The only way to avoid being abused by tech companies is to avoid using their products as much as possible. This is where I'm at.

I don't see any other solution in the near term. Tech has been weaponized against us.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#80
The situation is likely far less scary. The article seems to intentionally overblow the accusations without going into any depth in order to push the advertisement for their phone.

Talking about /e/os /their competitor/ in the beginning to make them seem less-competent:

>Surprisingly, the deGoogled phone's first connection is to google.com.

>This makes us wonder. /e/OS did replace Google’s connectivity check, but did they somehow miss out to replace the Google Play Store URL?

/e/os has microG so I'd guess it's on by default and this is "google device registration" that is necessary for safetynet.

Then in the main part they talk about AGPS. Instead of showing the unencrypted traffic that supposedly contains the private information, they just quote qualcomms privacy policy. They make a big deal about the phone requesting agps data even when the location is turned off (unlike theirs amazing one that only requests the agps data when you turn the location on.) My phone also requests agps data only when I turn the location on and it sucks because If I don't have internet access, without fresh agps data the phone can take a really long time to get GPS fix (Especially in bad conditions like snowy forest where I wanted o check if I was still on the right trail but couldn't get fix at all.). It's an oversight on /e/os side not to proxy the agps requests but it can be done. Many service providers do it which seems worse and if you want, you can easily tell android to use a different server, just follow this reddit post: https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/cldrym/how_to_dego...

I'd love to see more competition in mobile cpu space but fearmongering about qualcomm being evil without any substance is not the right thing to do. What is far more worrying is that both qualcomm and exinos chipsets have terrible track record when it comes to vulnerabilities.

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