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LSD: Not Even Once

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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#71
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Isn't it true for even over the counter drugs and even foods that they can fuck you up if you are predisposed to have an issue with the substance? Why would LSD be any different. It's like getting mad at people promoting peanuts because some people die if they eat them.

You're surely joking when comparing LSD to foods, right? Please name one single food that can bring down all your psychological defence mechanisms in one go.

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#72
post #49

I think it's useful to consider this blog post as an anecdotal experience of someone who had a significant, traumatic experience with LSD for which they were entirely socially unprepared for even when those those experiences seemed to be known among those who take LSD (no one expressed surprise or confusion at their condition in their group). There is plenty of questions to ask here: why didn't this person's friends…

I've noticed this pattern where "anecdote" is deployed when someone disagrees with some point another person is making. But would you be chiming in here about "anecdotes" if this was a post by someone claiming acid helped them?

Yes; I think someone claiming a drug helped them is also a useful anecdote. I do think HN as a community tends to weigh positive anecdotes more than negative ones [when it comes to hallucinogens], and wanted to point out that this particular negative anecdote suggests there exists at least some amount of greater or more systemic concerns about how such an experience came about to begin with.

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#73

Had a somewhat similar experience. Irritating how harmless and positive psychedelics and cannabis are made out to be in popular culture in spite of the issues like these that can cause.

Makes me wonder if a counterpoint to adopting almost anything will arise with 1 million people having the ability to obtain a drug with ease instead of 10,000 people that are forced to jump through a lot of hoops and navigate a specific kind of closed drug culture to come out changed for the better. When there's a 0.0001% chance of years-long negative effects, that's a lot more people making up the minority. Safety r…

The person wasn't talking about policy but about how people aggressively pretend like these drugs can do no harm. You can have a completely free policy while also being honest and accurate about what the drugs do and what can happen.

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#74

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

> Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit

I think this is the direct result of just nonsensical criminalization that equated cannabis with drugs like heroin, while the toxicity of cannabis is much lower than alcohol, for example.

Legalization leads to better education, which typically provides both sides of the argument, so that a potential user can make educated decisions as to whether to try the drug or not. I have seen debates on "when not to use cannabis" on some canna podcasts (like Leafly, though I don't remember the episode).

I think that avoiding LSD for people prone to panic attacks is a pretty sound decision.

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#75
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Arguing like this is no good. You're demanding that we accept a random blog post over a random comment, and demanding expertise from the random comment that you're not demanding from the random blog post. The comment you're replying to is speculative. It's all right for people with some personal knowledge to speculate.

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Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#76

Had a similar experience, but with the much more tame marijuana. It was a 6-hour long panic attack for me. Similar to the author of this, I read for years of how "the only way it could ever harm you is if you were crushed by 100 lbs of it" on sites like Reddit. It wasn't until after getting high that I heard about marijuana amplifying stress tendencies in a minority of people. I've always been high strung, and maybe…

As someone who has been consuming lots of marijuana in the past 25 years, my recommendation is to not consume marijuana when in a bad mood or in stressful situations. I see drugs (including alcohol) as mood amplifiers.

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#77
post #13

Both those trip reports are very unusual for psylocibin and LSD. It looks to me that the author might have other health complications that caused the bad trips. As a general advice one should be very careful when taking psychedelics with other prescribed medications or having a history of mental illness.

What is anybody supposed to do with this response? Is there a test you can take to rule out long-term negative side effects from psychedelics? If not, aren't you just rolling the dice one way or the other? Mightn't we not just act as if there's a particular mental health complication called "susceptibility to long-term negative side effects of LSD"?

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#78
A number of the side effects listed here are also known to happen on the "waking up" journey. Tinnitus, for example, is a thing we all have that our brain filters out for the most part. Depersonalization is an obvious (and sought after) side effect of "waking up" as well.

These side effects can be scary to someone that doesn't anticipate them (or just doesn't want them), but the "benefits" of LSD often point to the loosening of your sense of self, seeing unfiltered reality, etc.

TLDR: these side effects can be seen as good in the right context.

Re: LSD: Not Even Once

#79
I’ve noticed a troubling trend among psychonauts: any reports of terrible experiences or long lasting negative effects of psychedelics are waved away in two different ways:

1 - blaming of the person who had the experience, for not having the proper “set and setting”, or not respecting the drug.

2 - claiming that there’s no such thing as a “bad trip”, and only a challenging one that takes time to integrate.

There might be some truth to both of those things, but I think it vastly undersells how incredibly destabilizing a “bad trip” can be.

The primary thing I learned from spending an eternity in hell on two of my trips? That it’s absurd how much suffering the human mind is capable of experiencing. A few years later and I can no longer feel much of the trauma of the experience, but there were months were I would just lay there feeling the aftershocks of the seemingly unending emotional pain I had experienced.

Currently I feel that there’s nothing about life or myself that I can learn on drugs that I can’t learn in other (safer) ways.

I’m glad people have massively positive experiences on drugs, but I worry that we’re underselling the risks when we just say “just check your set and setting, and remember that there’s no such thing as a ‘bad trip’, just a challenging one”.

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#80

The popular LSD and psychadelic advocacy online and elsewhere is an expression of the mainstream ideology. The foundation of our collective ideology tells us these drugs should have some profound life-altering and improving effect. Obviously, when examined critically, the premise is ridiculous on its face. Everyone I know who regularly does these types of drugs is not really doing much else with their lives. As for S…

Sorry. This is an ignorant take. It's not about regularly doing the drugs + therapy with a drug is different from people taking a drug for fun.
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