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AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by aenvoker »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #22
Alchemista wrote: post #3

Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't look very good to me. It is also obviously AI generated, with the telltale signs of deformed limbs and hands.

And I can tell the difference between tube amps, profilers and modellers in both feel and tone, but it's good enough for the average Joe that they won't care if they like the image or sound. It only serves to illustrate the point that trying to evaluate the best x work is futile because tastes vary. Personally, I don't like the image, nor do I like any AI-generated "art" thus far. I'm a big camera wonk and a tone cha…

Camera wonking is great, but if you don’t like any AI art, that suggests you are rejecting the concept out of hand.

Being so low-barrier, there is naturally a flood of images from beginners who are just futzing around. But, I hear a common refrain that sounds to me like “DeviantART.com has millions of sketches from bored 13 year olds. Therefore I don’t consider pencil to be an artistic medium.”

I’d be interested in your opinions of the works of https://twitter.com/rainisto

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by eru »

capableweb wrote: post #46
shadowgovt wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an April Fool's joke; it was an intentional effort to deceive the competition to highlight the fact that such competitions aren't well-prepared for the addition of AI to the artist's toolbelt. The artist refused the award, and declared it was their intent to highlight this concern.

What efforts like this are missing is publishing a cryptographic hash before engaging in the deception. Otherwise it can seem like the author intentionally decided to mislead but might have changed their intention after winning. Publishing something openly like e1c7aa9150766bd5279b54951e3828ed9c19367af21f03f669eb586bd54c13b1 which can later be verified once "revealed". $ echo "I, CapableWeb, is gonna participate in S…

Of course, what you do is publish plenty of different hashes on the block chain(s) of your choice. Then you can later reveal what you feel like.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by eru »

shagie wrote: post #59
jncraton wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> could camera manufacturers add a new tag to the EXIF data that is cryptographically signed by the camera They could, and some already do, but this doesn't fully solve the problem. You'd still be left with the analog loophole[1]. A sufficiently advanced attacker could feed a generated image directly to the camera sensor. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

For a long time, polaroids have been held as the "this image can't be faked." Somewhere in my collection of lesser used equipment, I've got a Daylab. https://www.instantphoto.eu/pola/pola_daylab_300.htm and I used it to transfer some 35mm slides to 4x5" to practice the various manipulations you can do there (emulsion lifts and transfers). The thing was I had a 35mm slide that was projected onto the film. If I could m…

> And so what if you sign the EXIF data. That only really guarantees that version of the image. If you adjust the saturation or curves or exposure... or correct for some lens aberration does that EXIF information still match the resulting photo? For that matter, what if you crop it to a square from a rectangle or stitch two images into a panorama?

Oh, that's actually possible with cryptographic techniques. Very exciting!

See eg https://medium.com/@boneh/using-zk-proofs-to-fight-disinform... or http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/photoproof-oakland16....

Of course, the analog hole stays wide open.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by matheweis »

philipswood wrote: post #64

Can anyone see why this was titled "the electrician"?

Speculating: a few of the related images have electrical wiring in them, could be both a literal interpretation as well as a metaphoric one.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CqWMXGLIVEp/ https://www.instagram.com/p/Cqd1CKOI7d3/

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by saiya-jin »

vanilla-almond wrote: post #69
Alchemista wrote: post #3

Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't look very good to me. It is also obviously AI generated, with the telltale signs of deformed limbs and hands.

The hands in the photograph are immediately noticed (e.g. the smudged, mushy look of the hands). I wonder: why did the judges not noticed the hands in the photo?

Yeah thats a 5 second exercise for anybody who ever came to contact with ie Midjourney output, fingers here have various usual bugs.

Honestly I believe author did include this on purpose, since its very well known shortcoming at this point. He could have done image without fingers displayed and then nobody would have a clue. But clearly judges are oblivious to recent development in some too-old-for-this-shit fashion, so they didnt pick it up and then embarassed themselves.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by tjr »

greggsy wrote: post #26

https://web.archive.org/web/20230325205601/https://www.eldag... >“The work… is the result of a complex interplay of prompt engineering, inpainting and outpainting that draws on my wealth of photographic knowledge. For me, working with AI image generators is a co-creation, in which I am the director. It is not about pressing a button – and done it is. It is about exploring the complexity of this process, starting with…

It’s okay graphic design. He even goes on to say it’s not a photograph.

Well, that's the bit that I think is most odd here. It's not a photograph.

Whether if AI-generated images are fair game in art competitions in general, I guess that's up to the folks running the competitions, but I would think an AI-generated image would pretty clearly not be a valid entry for a photography contest. No more than a painting or a charcoal drawing.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by azubinski »

spicyusername wrote: post #27
azubinski wrote: post #14

"AI images and photography should not compete with eachother in an award like this. They are different entities. AI is not photography. Therefore I will not accept the award" That is, the author of this dirty trick knew this very well from the very beginning, but nevertheless he submitted to the competition not a real shot (which is a unique stopped flat moment of reality), but a synthetic picture of which he is not…

I disagree. Too many people happily go along with the status quo, despite correctly recognizing something should be changed. It takes energy, courage, and sacrifice to create change. A body at rest will remain at rest unless acted up on by an outside force. In this case, this author correctly recognized that its better to force the conversation now, himself, than let things play themselves out naturally.

Excuse me, but what kind of "changes" are you talking about?

Professionalism is primarily built on trust, including a mutual trust in professional systems. Therefore, students are not allowed to cheat on exams, for example (not only for this reason, of course, but also for this reason).

If you think that the destruction of the system of mutual trust is some kind of "change", then I want to upset you, because such "changes" do not require software systems on the scale of modern "AI" at all.

By this act nothing but destroying the mutual trust was done. Now the organizers of professional photography competitions will not trust photographers, and photographers will not trust the organizers of competitions.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by JKCalhoun »

vanilla-almond wrote: post #69
Alchemista wrote: post #3

Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't look very good to me. It is also obviously AI generated, with the telltale signs of deformed limbs and hands.

The hands in the photograph are immediately noticed (e.g. the smudged, mushy look of the hands). I wonder: why did the judges not noticed the hands in the photo?

Guessing that if you come to a photo assuming that it is an actual photo you're not exactly prepared to exercise your AI skepticism.

And truly it is the eyes that capture your attention. The hands (or fingers rather) are something like a vignette.

Re: AI-generated image selected for a Sony World Photography Award

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Post by ilyt »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #22
Alchemista wrote: post #3

Yeah, I don't get it. It doesn't look very good to me. It is also obviously AI generated, with the telltale signs of deformed limbs and hands.

And I can tell the difference between tube amps, profilers and modellers in both feel and tone, but it's good enough for the average Joe that they won't care if they like the image or sound. It only serves to illustrate the point that trying to evaluate the best x work is futile because tastes vary. Personally, I don't like the image, nor do I like any AI-generated "art" thus far. I'm a big camera wonk and a tone cha…

But this is clearly not! at best it looks like someone modified photo or maybe had some horribly hand-deforming disease.
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