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Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by ExMachina73 »

standardUser wrote: post #29
tptacek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People say stuff like this because it's fun to talk about, not because it's a live issue. Do you actually want to bet? There aren't a lot of serious odds you could suggest for this where I wouldn't bet she shows up, like everybody else does.

The last I heard, the founders of Ubiome had fled the country and are wanted by the FBI after their company was raided. Not everyone "shows up" if they have the means to flee.

You're right! Interesting. My original comment about odds wasn't a serious request to make a bet, just hyperbole. It does seem given her high profile if she did flee, she'd be right on the FBI top-10 most wanted list.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by stametseater »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #39
KindAndFriendly wrote: post #15

Reading this entire story, it baffles me that as of today I can still add a "Full Self-Driving Capability" option when ordering a Tesla.

> it baffles me that as of today I can still add a "Full Self-Driving Capability" option when ordering a Tesla Capability, not feature. I know that isn’t how it’s marketed. But Elon isn’t claiming he has Level 5 right now. Most FSD buyers seem aware they’re paying into a research effort. Fraud requires knowledge and intent. You’re making a good case for a class action lawsuit, i.e. civil action. Not for putting someo…

"The person in the driver's seat is only there for legal reasons."

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by lesuorac »

LanceJones wrote: post #61
KindAndFriendly wrote: post #15

Reading this entire story, it baffles me that as of today I can still add a "Full Self-Driving Capability" option when ordering a Tesla.

I'm an FSD Beta user. If you stop reading at "Full Self Driving Capability", then yes, it's an issue for a potential purchaser. But if you read just a little bit more, it becomes more clear what you're buying. I don't feel "fooled" and neither do 1000s of other Beta testers with whom I regularly communicate on Discord.

Oh good point, I should be more careful of what I read.

It's "Full Self Driving" not "Full Self Driving without Accidents".

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by paxys »

ExMachina73 wrote: post #18

Any bets she actually reports? Odds anyone? I feel a woman of her means and personality may try to disappear, go off grid. Does she still have access to money? Were her assets frozen?

Spending a couple years in minimum security prison before being let out for "good behavior" with your slate clean is a much better prospect than spending your entire life on the run from the law.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by Alupis »

stametseater wrote: post #33
ExMachina73 wrote: post #18

Any bets she actually reports? Odds anyone? I feel a woman of her means and personality may try to disappear, go off grid. Does she still have access to money? Were her assets frozen?

A woman of her means is not accustomed to life on the run.

There are many places that do not extradite, even if you are known to be living there.

Life on the run is a Hollywood thing - the CIA isn't going to kick down her door and blackbag her back to the US. If she leaves the US, she is effectively gone unless she does something really stupid.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

nickpinkston wrote: post #3

If you steal more than $5K three times in California, you will get 25 years in prison [1], and while I think that's disgusting and detestable, I don't want any elites getting special treatment either, so as to force change in those sentencing guidelines. [1] https://www.kannlawoffice.com/grand-theft.html

Are you from the area? On the way I literally walk through multiple open air stolen goods sellers that have been around for years.

The bay area is famous for folks walking out stores with stolen goods:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-san-francisco-sho...

You can kill someone with a gun and spend just 7 years in prison.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Kate_Steinle

Btw, I fully support Holmes getting punished but lets not misrepresent the ground reality.

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Post by shadowgovt »

cale- wrote: post #60
shadowgovt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be a bad idea. Skipping town on a sentence puts one in a rarified category where enforcement is now a federal problem, and the FBI has long memories, an international reach, and no statute of limitations on how long they can hunt a person who is sentenced. At which point, if they fall back under US custody, they get to start their sentence (as well as go on trial for the additional penalties associated wit…

That case sounds interesting, but I couldn't find anything on a cursory google. Can you provide some more details? Thanks

It was passed to me orally by an FBI trainer at Quantico during a visit once; I have no primary source other than that.

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by sorokod »

standardUser wrote: post #35

I have a really hard time believing that non-violent crimes should result in a person being locked in a cage. I'd rather see restrictions that limit their ability to do more damage, like when a reckless driver gets their license revoked. Besides, a free person with a job can pay back their debt to society, literally, with money, instead of the rest of us paying their living costs. EDIT: As comments point out, it is a…

How would you rationalize violent/non-violent as boundary for jail/no-jail?

Re: Elizabeth Holmes loses bid to stay out of prison

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Post by lotsofpulp »

LanceJones wrote: post #61
KindAndFriendly wrote: post #15

Reading this entire story, it baffles me that as of today I can still add a "Full Self-Driving Capability" option when ordering a Tesla.

I'm an FSD Beta user. If you stop reading at "Full Self Driving Capability", then yes, it's an issue for a potential purchaser. But if you read just a little bit more, it becomes more clear what you're buying. I don't feel "fooled" and neither do 1000s of other Beta testers with whom I regularly communicate on Discord.

It is not about not being fooled, it is about maintaining standards so that people in society can spend less time ensuring they do not get fooled.
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