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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by omginternets »

addisonl wrote: post #19
meindnoch wrote: post #15

You bought a car with always-on cameras and always-on telemetry. What did you expect?

I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.

>Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.

There's room for both acknowledging that someone is a victim, and that this was fairly predictable. Just as a mugging victim doesn't deserve a mugging, they probably shouldn't walk down dark alleyways at night. And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by mikece »

ctvo wrote: post #62
mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior. You're implying everyone does it. What can ya do, right? There's 0 evidence other car companies are allowing PII like this to be spread internally, and employees are so brazen as to use them as the basis for memes.

I'm saying exactly the opposite. I will never consider getting an EV as long as it's full-time tethered to the mothership and my car can be deactivated/bricked/broken remotely either on purpose or by accident. I want my car to be MY property, not a device obeying inputs from someone somewhere else.

And absolutely no surveillance built in. Until then I'll stick to gasoline cars.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by HWR_14 »

wnevets wrote: post #38

This is absolutely disgusting to hear. Can you imagine if Apple or Google employees were caught doing something like this with photos/videos taken with their products?

Absolutely. Just like Amazon, Facebook, Uber, NSA and other employees have done so as well. The only reason Apple or Google employees might not do that is encryption and decent access controls, not because they are better people. It would not shock me in the least if a Google or Apple employee did something similar.

It might shock me a little just because of the risk/reward if they were just snooping on random people. But not if it was exes/crushes/friends/etc.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by bink »

The NSA uses private data to spy on potential dates, of course Tesla uses private photos they collect to mock customers or for prurient purposes.

It makes me laugh when Congress talks about banning TikTok because it can be used by China to spy on US citizens while completely ignoring all the US companies that can and do spy on US citizens. If they really wanted to stop this behavior they'd pass stringent regulations.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by perihelions »

wnevets wrote: post #38

This is absolutely disgusting to hear. Can you imagine if Apple or Google employees were caught doing something like this with photos/videos taken with their products?

There was a Google SRE who stalked women through their Google accounts. I wonder if I can find that HN thread...

update: Found one of them,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692754 ("Google fired engineer for breaking internal privacy policies" (2010))

It's not linked in there, but the Wired writeup adds that (0) there were at least two SRE's fired for something like this and (1) Google chose not to report this to law enforcement, seemingly prioritizing its public image over its users' safety.

https://www.wired.com/2010/09/google-spy/ ("Ex-Googler Allegedly Spied on User E-Mails, Chats" (2010))

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Post by giantg2 »

ctvo wrote: post #62
mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior. You're implying everyone does it. What can ya do, right? There's 0 evidence other car companies are allowing PII like this to be spread internally, and employees are so brazen as to use them as the basis for memes.

Even without the privacy issues, I want cars that are simple and have less tech.

The absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Even so, there are documented security issues with most connected vehicles.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by mrguyorama »

berkle4455 wrote: post #20
mdhb wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piss off with this low grade comment. Obviously nobody expected that Tesla employees would be sharing photos of them fucking in their work chats for their own amusement.

At this point we're about a week away from the CEO sharing the images on his garbage social media platform in the name of "free speech".

He has literally done that. Multiple times he has shared images and videos from tesla's that were involved in a crash without permission.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by ctvo »

liminalsunset wrote: post #41

While some of the behaviour here is less professional than I'd expect for user data, I'm wondering what a good architecture for building a system to leverage visual telemetry without harming user privacy would really look like. The problem is that: 1) It's very difficult to manually or automatically scrub identifying information from video, and doing so probably greatly reduces the value of the data for AI training p…

> While some of the behaviour here is less professional than I'd expect for user data

It's like showing up to a school shooting and saying while some of the behavior here is less professional than I'd expect for an interaction with children...

They. Are. Sharing. Your. Intimate. Photos. Using. Them. As. Background. For. Their. Memes.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by croutonwagon »

giantg2 wrote: post #50
jimlongton wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work in the industry. It's not a "vehicle" any more - it's a "platform" to "engage" with customers, i.e. sell your data and lock features behind ridiculous monthly fees. That is now the mantra of the automotive industry. It really kills any enthusiasm I have for new cars.

Wishing I still had my 89 Caprice with physical buttons and switches. Parts were insanely cheap too (except the transmission, which I part of why I got rid of it).

This is why I’m keeping my 09 Toyota. Upgraded the radio to a CarPlay capable head unit. But it was the perfect fit of modern safety features, a couple nice to haves like backup camera, but none of that always connected on star style crap.

Will drive it till it rusts out and in praying the market will have corrected by then

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by temac »

ctvo wrote: post #62
mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior. You're implying everyone does it. What can ya do, right? There's 0 evidence other car companies are allowing PII like this to be spread internally, and employees are so brazen as to use them as the basis for memes.

This data should not even be collected in the first place. Even just the collection is 1984-style.
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