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Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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I don't buy the idea that it was a mistake for NATO to allow former Soviet bloc countries to join, because it would supposedly encroach on Russia's sphere of influence or increase tensions with Russia. Spheres of influence are gained through economic muscle and cultural power now, not force of arms.

Reading about what the Soviet Union did in countries like Estonia and Ukraine is pretty harrowing stuff. Wanting to join NATO for protection after is completely understandable and denying them because it would upset their former (and present) abuser is a shameful thought.

Very true.

Though it's good to remember the Soviet Union did even worse things to Russia.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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Finland got de-Finlandized at last. Which is what the expansion of NATO was always about. NATO isn't a threat to Russia itself - if Russia seriously feared NATO aggression, it wouldn't voluntarily demilitarize its NATO borders during the past 13 months. NATO expansion just neutralizes Russian ability to force its will upon its neighbors through threat of aggression (or in case like Ukraine through the use of aggressi…

>> just Hah, yeah, that's not a big deal at all, neutralizing Russian ability to force its will upon its neighbors, through threats of aggression. Like, who's scared of Russia these days? They're just empty threats. I'd like totally bet my life on it, just empty threats. EDIT: /s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukra...

Russia doesn't have to win in order to be scary to their neighbors—they just have to persuade their neighbors that they're irrational and have no sense of self preservation.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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> the BRICS surpassed the G7 in terms of GDP and more countries are seeking to join. Is "the BRICS" something besides a joint meeting that happens every now and then? What's the point in joining a joint meeting that happens every now and then?

Isn't that what the G7 is?

The G7 isn't very important, neither is BRICS.

There's just a lot of Americans that want to see America fail because other people have different views than them.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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Nobody in NATO wants to invade Russia and have a nuclear war. 20% of homes there don't even have indoor plumbing. Nobody wants anything from Russia except to not be attacked by them.

Even without the nuclear war threat, hardly anyone wants to invade Russia.

Well, possibly China.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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ZeroHedge have been posting about this since 2008. Wake me up when it happens.

No need. It seems you're already awake and it IS happening.

The BRICS's attempt to overtake the US is due to the race to incompetence at the top. For them, to compete with the likes of China, they're copying the worst parts of China or the rest of the other countries part of the BRICS.

Oh dear.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

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post #42

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> Russia could also take over all of Ukraine in about a week. I think that qualifies for a great big [Citation Needed].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

And you feel the most probable outcome of using that is “Russia takes over Ukraine”? You think that’s what would happen?
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