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Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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post #56

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A professional reply would start like: "Thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, due to uncertainty surrounding sanctions associated with your organization, we cannot accept your patches (...)". This is not that. The key is that the onus is clearly on the sanctions themselves, not the uncomfortable feelings of a mysterious "we".

Ritual phrasing does not make something professional. And the lack of ritual phrasing doesn't make it unprofessional.

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Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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This is silly cutting off your nose to spite your face. And for your users too. It's very rich to claim I'm too emotionally invested (because I'm rationally assessing the situation??) in the topic then go one about the emotional investment (comfort) of the maintainer to justify their view... That's classic projection.

"All I'm hearing is NATO military good guys, everyone else evil." This is not rational. It's an emotional interpretation of what was written.

Yes just a coincidence everyone in the thread seems okay with NATO national intelligence and military submitting patches to Linux.

But definitely Russian, North Koreans and Iranians shouldn't.

It's like I'm stuck in a Top Gun movie...

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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> Baikal processors are made specifically for russian military and have no civilian use

These are general purpose processors and there are plans to deploy them widely across Russian civil service and major state owned banks.

They are indeed sub-par compared to Intel or ARM however in the present situation Russia is faced with a choice between importing electronics through grey channels and developing its own national product even if it is subpar to what would have been normally available.

I personally very much hope the 2nd choice is taken, domestically designed processors take hold and the world gets a new choice of hardware to use.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

#74
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A professional reply would start like: "Thank you for your contributions. Unfortunately, due to uncertainty surrounding sanctions associated with your organization, we cannot accept your patches (...)". This is not that. The key is that the onus is clearly on the sanctions themselves, not the uncomfortable feelings of a mysterious "we".

Ritual phrasing does not make something professional. And the lack of ritual phrasing doesn't make it unprofessional.

Making something about personal feelings, when it is ostensibly not, is textbook unprofessionalism. How can you not see that?

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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post #35

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> I think comparing the Russian and US military is a false equivalence. Do I think the US is innocent? No. But it's just not on the same order. Seriously? Setting aside those that the US was directly involved in such as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, how about the war between and Iraq and Iran that the US urged Saddam Hussein on which resulted in about 500,000 dead, for starters? In those days Saddam was the bestie o…

> Sadly the war on Ukraine is lasting much longer because Ukraine has the support of the US, until the US decides that China warrants more attention. ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here? I'm not going to comment on every single example, but in many there is significantly more nuance to most of them as I've explained in some ot…

> ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here?

Life for the masses of the people is generally the same no matter who rules them. When this war is over the Ukrainian rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer as it has been in the US for the last 40 years or so.

The idea that life for Ukrainians under Russian hegemony will be worse than life under a EU/US hegemony is false.

The Ukrainian regimes of the last 15 years decided to turn the country into one the sticks it to Russia on behalf of the US. They basically sacrificed their countrymen's wellbeing to service the geopolitical goals of the US and now Ukrainians are suffering dearly for it.

Read this - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35180460

I can't be repeating myself on the Russian/Ukraine war ad infinitum.

This war is not being sustained for the benefit of ordinary Ukrainians. This war will end, and that end will involve negotiations, whether this year or in 10 years time. The main sufferers here are the Ukrainians, not their political leaders who have stashed enough abroad to live comfortable lives no matter the outcome of the war, and the US can bribe them even further to prolong the war as much as is possible, much as they bribed Saddam Hussein to prosecute the war against Iraq for 8 years.

Whatever the Western powers are doing in Ukraine, is it not for the benefit of the ordinary Ukrainian, just the bankers and the industrialists.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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post #66

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Well it's indeed one of major SoC suppliers for Russian military, but actually Baikal SoC are used for various civil purposes too: thin clients, servers, network routers, industrial automation/SCADA, CNC and so on.

These are subpar processors for the cost, they are only used when the certification requirements of the govt are in place. Ministry of defence subcontractors hardly count as civilian users.

> These are subpar processors for the cost

Intel, Apple, etc are refusing to suppy to RU. Subpar but available parts started making sense.

Linux support enables civilian use exactly; military users likely depend on the mainstream kernel a lot less.

Sanctions created an opportunity and developers are desperate to grasp it.

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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Suppose it's not everybody's cup of tea, but there are users on this planet who would love to be running a fully free and open source software on machines that provably have no Intel Management Engine or other comparable closed-source technologies.

What the community could be doing instead of refusing useful patches enhancing support for an IP-core licensed from a western company is working with Baikal developers to ensure that desktops/laptops built on their hardware include no closed source software blobs anywhere in the drivers or in EEPROM.

How often do we have an opportunity like this?

Re: Linux maintainer rejects patches from sanctioned Russian Baikal Electronics

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post #35

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> Sadly the war on Ukraine is lasting much longer because Ukraine has the support of the US, until the US decides that China warrants more attention. ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here? I'm not going to comment on every single example, but in many there is significantly more nuance to most of them as I've explained in some ot…

> ... Sadly? I guess the Ukrainians should just bow over and welcome their new Russian overlords? Or what are you suggesting here? Life for the masses of the people is generally the same no matter who rules them. When this war is over the Ukrainian rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer as it has been in the US for the last 40 years or so. The idea that life for Ukrainians under Russian hegemony will be wo…

Total nonsense. When this war is over, the Ukrainian people will have survived by avoiding Russian fascist purges as we saw in Bucha and other deoccuipied places. That's why Ukrainians are fighting back so fiercely, against all odds, and ready to suffer all hardship. It's about survival and no more no less.
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